Author Topic: Zenrat's Flying Circus  (Read 234823 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2850 on: October 08, 2019, 04:26:20 am »
Jack of all trades mate...
 ;)

Major step forward on SPOKAN2 (Secret Project Only Known As No. 2)  today - I glued the wings on.
This seems to have gone OK which means that it is going to work and will result in a model rather than a pile of scrap parts and so I can reveal it...

...soon, when I can mock it up on its wheels.
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2851 on: October 09, 2019, 02:15:57 am »
This is the secret project, a Weston C-25G Marion.  A B-25G re-engineered as a cargo plane.  I wanted to get the fuselage closer to the ground to aid in on and off loading cargo manually.  Cargo doors are in the port side of the fuselage behind the wing.  It's going to need a heck of a lot of nose weight.
C-25G Marion WIP 09-10-2019 by Fred Maillardet, on Flickr
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline ericr

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 3145
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2852 on: October 09, 2019, 02:23:51 am »

looking nice.
where do these gull wings come from?

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 33817
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2853 on: October 09, 2019, 02:40:03 am »

  It's going to need a heck of a lot of nose weight.


B-25s always do for some reason, I've never built one that wasn't a tail sitter.  :banghead:
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2854 on: October 09, 2019, 03:03:08 am »

looking nice.
where do these gull wings come from?

Everything you see is either from the Italeri kit box or scratch built (the vertical tail).  The wings are the standard B-25 wings pie cut just inboard of the nacelles.
If you look at the starboard wing you can see white styrene where I backfilled the cut.


Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline ericr

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 3145
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2855 on: October 09, 2019, 03:56:33 am »

oh I didn't realize the original B25 was that much gull winged

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2856 on: October 09, 2019, 04:02:50 am »

oh I didn't realize the original B25 was that much gull winged


It's not.  It has a slight gull wing but I cut a wedge shape out of the underneath, folded along the upper surface and glued the edges together.  This made it much more "gully".
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline NARSES2

  • Nick was always on his mind - just ask the Pet Shop Boys
  • Global Moderator
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 41312
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2857 on: October 09, 2019, 05:59:05 am »
That's looking interesting mate  :thumbsup:


  It's going to need a heck of a lot of nose weight.


B-25s always do for some reason, I've never built one that wasn't a tail sitter.  :banghead:

Yup, the Airfix one I've just finished still teeters on the edge if I as much as look at it to hard even though I've put twice the amount of weight Airfix recommend in her.
Decals my @r$e!

Offline ericr

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 3145
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2858 on: October 09, 2019, 07:17:25 am »

oh I didn't realize the original B25 was that much gull winged


It's not.  It has a slight gull wing but I cut a wedge shape out of the underneath, folded along the upper surface and glued the edges together.  This made it much more "gully".

the gulliest the better  ;D


Offline joncarrfarrelly

  • Bertie Bassett
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 7586
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2859 on: October 09, 2019, 12:19:10 pm »

oh I didn't realize the original B25 was that much gull winged

Technically speaking it's not a gull-winged aircraft.
The original design and prototype had a constant dihedral of 4º 31' 23",
flight test revealed handling issues which were determined to be caused
by the constant dihedral, the outer wing panels were then repositioned to
a 0º 21' 39" dihedral which eliminated the problems.
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated crap
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2860 on: October 10, 2019, 04:06:07 am »

oh I didn't realize the original B25 was that much gull winged

Technically speaking it's not a gull-winged aircraft....

It is now.  ;D

If anyone is considering building a Mitchell then I can thoroughly recommend that they buy something other than the Italeri kit.  It's not as bad as the old Airfix mould but it does suffer from poor parts fit and what interior detail there is is very simple.  By all accounts the Hasegawa B-25 is a good kit (although it seems to be scarce) and of course there is the new Airfix.  I want to build another Mitchell and so am on the look out for either of these.
I had limited time at the bench today which I spent solely on the El Camino for the GB.



Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline NARSES2

  • Nick was always on his mind - just ask the Pet Shop Boys
  • Global Moderator
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 41312
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2861 on: October 10, 2019, 06:07:56 am »
Go with the Airfix one mate, it's a nice kit. Goes together nicely  :thumbsup:
Decals my @r$e!

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2862 on: October 11, 2019, 04:25:35 am »
I shall await their arrival here on this fine shore...

...prolly about 2023 going on past performance.  :-\

Other than work on the GB El Camino and SkyCabRaider today I slapped some putty on the Mitchell today.  PSR shouldn't be too much of a chore (famous last words eh!) as i'm not creating new profiles, just levelling out and matching up.  I also cleaned out surplus PPP from the engraved detail on the Analogue and glued on some more of the many small scoops, vents and other surface detail Modelsvit include as separate parts.  I'm itching to mask this and throw some primer on it but i'm forcing myself to slow down and check carefully that I have attached everything that needs attaching before paint.
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18375
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2863 on: October 15, 2019, 03:44:34 am »
I've been adding nose weight to the Mitch.
I completely filled the solid nose with PVA and Liquid Gravity.
That wasn't enough.
I then added a blanking plate under the control panel and filled the space above the cockpit floor from the control panel to where the nose attaches wtth PVA & LG.
That was just enough but it would still tail sit if provoked so I then built a partition to enclose the space under the cockpit floor but above the nose wheel bay (a false roof to the UC bay).  I have yet to fill this with weight.  It should do the trick though.
Bear in mind that all this was needed despite the fact that I moved the wings about 1/4" rearwards when reattaching them after the surgery.
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

My name is Commander William Riker.  Take me to your women.

Offline NARSES2

  • Nick was always on his mind - just ask the Pet Shop Boys
  • Global Moderator
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 41312
Re: Zenrat's Flying Circus
« Reply #2864 on: October 15, 2019, 06:23:58 am »
Odd, the new Airfix one isn't that bad by the sound of it, although it does need to have some in the nacelles as well as the nose wheel bay. You'd expect them to be fairly similar  Or would you ?
Decals my @r$e!