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Airfix

Started by Radish, September 01, 2007, 09:46:18 AM

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scooter

Quote from: Weaver on September 23, 2025, 03:08:58 AMand another Gladiator (for... reasons).
Triplane Gladiator?
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Weaver

Quote from: scooter on September 23, 2025, 04:29:39 AM
Quote from: Weaver on September 23, 2025, 03:08:58 AMand another Gladiator (for... reasons).
Triplane Gladiator?

Nah, more a source for British-izing some things.
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Rick Lowe

Quote from: zenrat on September 23, 2025, 03:49:43 AMStollys in stock.  $AU 77 each.

That's pretty darn good, Fred.
If postage wasn't such a killer, I could be tempted - they're north of $100 here; and that's from my Enabler, who is cheaper than bricks-and-mortar by a good margin.

zenrat

#7773
Quote from: Rick Lowe on September 24, 2025, 12:37:50 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 23, 2025, 03:49:43 AMStollys in stock.  $AU 77 each.

That's pretty darn good, Fred.
If postage wasn't such a killer, I could be tempted - they're north of $100 here; and that's from my Enabler, who is cheaper than bricks-and-mortar by a good margin.

$AU 74.95 from BNA..  Their cheapest shipping to NZ is $AU 13:52...
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

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Weaver

AUD 74.95 = GBP 36.77 at current rates. That's cheaper that the UK price of GBP 39.99! :o 
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Rick Lowe

Quote from: zenrat on September 24, 2025, 04:19:49 AM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on September 24, 2025, 12:37:50 AM
Quote from: zenrat on September 23, 2025, 03:49:43 AMStollys in stock.  $AU 77 each.

That's pretty darn good, Fred.
If postage wasn't such a killer, I could be tempted - they're north of $100 here; and that's from my Enabler, who is cheaper than bricks-and-mortar by a good margin.

$AU 74.95 from BNA..  Their cheapest shipping to NZ is $AU 13:52...


Thanks, that's still at about the $100 Kiwi Pesos mark. Ah well, it's an 'It would be nice', rather than an 'It Must Be Mine!'  :thumbsup:
Though even that postage is pretty reasonable.

Weaver

#7776
Got the Pumas and the Jag today. Mini revue, since I've never had either of these kits before, even back in the day:

The Pumas look nice. They're covered in raised rivets, but they're fine and appropriate for a helo. Little bit of flash but not really a problem. There's a couple of the "H" nose-aerials on the sprues, (one bent from being shoved into the bag), but they don't appear anywhere on the instructions. I suspect these were later additions to the fleet (you see them on most RAF helos) than the colour schemes provided (one RAF, one French). There's also a pair of the later, Super-Puma type air intake filters on the sprue, so I definitely think that Airfix updated the mould at some point to reflect later additions, but the Vintage Classics boxing goes back to the original spec on the instructions and decal sheet. One nice peculiarity is that there are two full clear sprues in each box. These aren't alternative versions, they're just duplications of the same sprue with the same part numbers on it. Bitz For Da Bitz Box!

The Jaguar is... interesting. The GR.1 laser nose is a separate piece, with the windows moulded in and a great big sink mark in the middle of one of them. The problem though, is that it it doesn't fit on the fuselage: like, not at all. The fuselage halves are moulded like the French version, with almost a full pointy nose (just the very tip missing) and a fairing underneath the nose for a laser rangefinder. It most closely resembles the Jaguar M prototype, but I believe some in-service "A"s got the laser fairing eventually. The cross section where the fuselage nose cuts off is WAY smaller than the GR.1 nose, there's no sign of a cut line on the inside of the castings and no mention of it in the instructions, which just say stick it straight on.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

zenrat

I built the Airfix Jag way back when (late seventies?).  It had the GR1 laser nose but I didn't have to saw anything off - it was moulded that way.
Which to me says that Airfix changed the moulds at some stage which was the one I built. 
But for the vintage classic they have gone right back to the original moulds.  Shame, as I would have bought one the same as the one I built for old times sake.

This sprue shot I found on goggle shows what I built.

https://www.lulu-berlu.com/airfix-n3011-serie-3-sepecat-jaguar-avion-chasse-1/72-neuf-boite-2-a61430.html
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere, for your convenience.

Gondor

Quote from: Weaver on September 25, 2025, 04:30:38 AMGot the Pumas and the Jag today. Mini revue, since I've never had either of these kits before, even back in the day:

The Pumas look nice. They're covered in raised rivets, but they're fine and appropriate for a helo. Little bit of flash but not really a problem. There's a couple of the "H" nose-aerials on the sprues, (one bent from being shoved into the bag), but they don't appear anywhere on the instructions. I suspect these were later additions to the fleet (you see them on most RAF helos) than the colour schemes provided (one RAF, one French). There's also a pair of the later, Super-Puma type air intake filters on the sprue, so I definitely think that Airfix updated the mould at some point to reflect later additions, but the Vintage Classics boxing goes back to the original spec on the instructions and decal sheet. One nice peculiarity is that there are two full clear sprues in each box. These aren't alternative versions, they're just duplications of the same sprue with the same part numbers on it. Bitz For Da Bitz Box!

The Jaguar is... interesing. The GR.1 laser nose is a separate piece, with the windows moulded in and a great big sink mark in the middle of one of them. The problem though, is that it it doesn't fit on the fuselage: like, not at all. The fuselage halves are moulded like the French version, with almost a full pointy nose (just the very tip missing) and a fairing underneath the nose for a laser rangefinder. It most closely resembles the Jaguar M prototype, but I believe some in-service "A"s got the laser fairing eventually. The cross section where the fuselage nose cuts off is WAY smaller than the GR.1 nose, there's no sign of a cut line on the inside of the castings and no mention of it in the instructions, which just say stick it straight on.

There was an updated release of the Puma kit, which used the parts you have found as extras. Nice to know that they are part of the kit as it released now. The instructions which include the extra parts are HERE

Gondor

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Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

Thorvic

Heller modified the kit for their boxing with the sand filters and nose aerials, Airfix then released this version of the kit in their last boxing, In the classic kit they have issused the latest tooling but used the original box art, schemes and instructions, so you can build the oriiginal kit as per the 70s when it came out, or use aftermarket decals and use the alt parts to do a later service version which is handy. From a Whiff/PC aspect the Puma was also put forward as Naval version in both the commando and ASW roles - it was fun trying to get decent kits to use as a basis for these as the many of the later Airfix issues were a cheaper plastic, so early kits were ideal, but the classic kit with its new plastic looks like it would make a suitable alternative.

With the Jaguar it sounds like they have given you the original BAC Jaguar fuselage but with the sprue of the SEPECAT Jaguar

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Gondor

#7780
@Weaver, if they have given you the pointed version, I am willing to swap the fuselage halves for the laser nose with you if you like. It would save me from backdating the nose to make an M version.

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

Mossie

Quote from: Weaver on September 25, 2025, 04:30:38 AMThe Pumas look nice. They're covered in raised rivets, but they're fine and appropriate for a helo.

I like rivets where they're appropriate. When Airfix released the Sea King, I didn't like the recessed panel lines at first and it took me a while to get used to it. If (when) they release a HAR.2 boxing of the Wessex, I'll probably get a Sea King to pair with it.

Weaver

#7782
It looks like the fuselages in the Vintage Classics Jaguar aren't from the very early Airfix issue (pointed nose, extended splitter plates), they're from the Heller re-issue of the Airfix mould done when the two companies were under Humbrol. It looks like a late French Jaguar A (pointed nose, under-nose laser fairing, flush splitters, no RWR fairing) was issued by Heller, using the Airfix mould, which was different to their own-tool A/B/E kit (which had interchangeable single and two-seat front ends). This might mean that the proper Airfix GR.1 fuselage is no longer available, depending on whether Heller re-cut the original mould or made a new fuselage mould and issued it with the rest of the Airfix sprues. Either is possible since the fuselages are on a different sprue to every other part.

Incidentally, "BAC Jaguar" and "SEPECAT Jaguar" are not good ways to differentiate early and later Airfix version of their kit. They've issued it as both the "BAC Jaguar" and the "SEPECAT Jaguar" several times after they modified it to include the chisel nose, flush intake splitter plates and RWR fairing.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Beermonster58

Quote from: Rick Lowe on September 24, 2025, 12:16:23 PMThanks, that's still at about the $100 Kiwi Pesos mark. Ah well, it's an 'It would be nice', rather than an 'It Must Be Mine!'  :thumbsup:
Though even that postage is pretty reasonable.

I divide models into the following categories ;
1) Must have
2) Could use
3) Would be nice
4)You must be bloody joking
5) Are you for real, they want WHAT for it!??

 ;)  ;D Actually, I suppose 4 & 5 amount to essentially the same thing!
Hates rivet counters! Eats JMNs for breakfast!

zenrat

Stolly, for me, is a must have.

Which is why a parcel is waiting for me at work.  I'll pick it up tomorrow morning.

 :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere, for your convenience.