General Discussion

[McColm]

The Avro Alderley perhaps, as it's on the Edge  of being both an  Avro and a Douglas product.

Very clever.

So we're ruling out the Avro Altrincham and the Avro Ancoats.

I haven't made up my mind yet. I've been to Taunton, cider country.

[kitbasher]

Other than the Avro Aldershot and Andover I can't immediately recall southern English place names being associated with Avro products.

Standing by to be corrected by the Whifferati!

And Lincoln isn't in southern England!!

[Charlie_c67]

Avro Becontree. Because it's two stops past Barking...

[NARSES2]

And Lincoln isn't in southern England!!

True. Southern part of the county could be said to be though ? I've always thought of Grantham as the border between north and south. Always suprises me just how large a county it is.

[PR19_Kit]

Lincolnshire needs to be that large, just to get all the runways in! 

[Old Wombat]

I now have a problem ...

Over on BtS they/ve announced the next GB (starting 1st April) for which I have two planned builds which would be appropriate, & I have five (yes, five - seven, if you include the two I returned to the stash)) potential builds for this GB.     

Looks like I'll have to try to alternate between the GBs, one build at a time (I'll be lucky if I finish one, let alone the four I'd like to do as a minimum). 

No.  You just need to work out builds that fit both.

I just had a look at what their subject is.  They have much more concise rules than we do.

Can't really do that, mate, because I don't do GBs unless they align with planned builds, I've already shuffled the build schedule a bit to fit these in, as it is, & none of the plans fit both GBs.

Personal thing.

I've found that building just for a GB often messes with my mojo & interferes with my builds for months afterwards, so I decided some time ago to, generally, only build for a GB if the GB fits into my personal build schedule.

[DogfighterZen]

I've found that building just for a GB often messes with my mojo & interferes with my builds for months afterwards, so I decided some time ago to, generally, only build for a GB if the GB fits into my personal build schedule.

This happened to me exactly with the P-40B i finished a few days ago. I started it for a GB in 2023 and lost interest in the build and all my mojo along with it.
Also the reason why today i spent most of the morning going through boxes to dig up a few kits as options for this GB.
I don't have 5 but 4 to choose from and i want to keep building stuff that i haven't built before so i'm reconsidering my initial idea of a navalized P-51H, with the same Griffon engine and contra prop combo i've done on the Mustang XX but with a tailhook and "folding" wings for carrier operations...

[jcf]

Avro Adelaide, Avro Winnipeg*, or similar because Tiger Force was made up of aircraft and
crews from the RAAF and RCAF in addition to the RAF.

*because Sydney/Melbourne and Toronto/Ottawa are too obvious.

Avro Toronto would, however, be appropriate because Victory Aircraft Limited, which built Ansons
and Lancasters (along with Lancastrian conversions and one each of the York and Lincoln),
was located in nearby Malton, Ontario. Victory was sold to the Hawker Siddeley Group in 1945
and became A.V. Roe Canada, HSG transferred it to their de Havilland Canada division in 1962,
HSG had taken over its parent de Havilland Aircraft Co. in 1959.

Inter alia, one has to wonder in regards to the Avro Arrow why the HSG bosses were dead silent
in regards to the cancellation and it's effect on Avro Canada. Orenda Engines was spun off but
they didn't really do much with it and let the Iroquois die. No doubt the UK bosses were happy
to let their non-UK holding collapse because it stopped the Arrow from being a potential competitor
to their UK divisions. Earlier in the decade HSG could probably also have kept the Avro C102
Jetliner project going if they had wished to do so. It would have given them an early entry into
the jet transport market but evidently the bosses had no grasp of its potential.

[McColm]

Looks like I'll have to buy a few more kits 

[scooter]

Avro Adelaide, Avro Winnipeg*, or similar because Tiger Force was made up of aircraft and
crews from the RAAF and RCAF in addition to the RAF.

*because Sydney/Melbourne and Toronto/Ottawa are too obvious.

Avro Darwin, Avro Perth, Avro Edmonton, Avro Vancouver

[jcf]

Something I came across recently is that following the typhoon that hit Okinawa 9 October 1945,
an early 1946 analysis by US Army logistics specialists was that if invasion preparation had been
under way at the time that it would, most likely, have delayed Olympic(Majestic) by a minimum
of 45 days. Not only due to the damage on Okinawa but also the disruptions to the train of freighters
and, most critically tankers, that was required to support invasion preparations and operations.
It was going to be the most complicated logistical support operation ever conceived, requiring a
huge numbers of ships running very long routes.

The knock-on effect would be to set Coronet back as well because if Olympic was delayed to
the middle of December, at the earliest, everything would be more difficult as the weather
would become more problematic the farther it got into winter, it can get very bad very quickly
in the North Pacific Ocean. Which could cause further delays for Olympic, or delay it altogether,
and the more Coronet is pushed out the more it runs into the spring rainy season in Japan.
You could pretty much forget about major armoured operations on the Kanto Plain because
by that time cross country would be off the table. Under the original target date for Coronet
armour mobility was already going to be limited due to a minimal number of roads, bridging gear
was going to be required basically everywhere because the existing bridges wouldn't support
the weight of the majority of Allied armour. Push it later into the spring and it would be even worse.

[jcf]

Vancouver was used previously by Canadian Vickers. First flight 1929, used until 1940.

[RAFF-35]

I've read through the rules and through this discussion thread and noticed that there's no mention of Japanese whifs here. To my mind, Japan would be taking part in Operation Downfall, just on the opposing side. So are Japanese entries allowed or are we only focusing on the Allies?

[scooter]

I've read through the rules and through this discussion thread and noticed that there's no mention of Japanese whifs here. To my mind, Japan would be taking part in Operation Downfall, just on the opposing side. So are Japanese entries allowed or are we only focusing on the Allies?

By default, the Japanese are a combatant in Downfall, and therefore eligible

[McColm]

I had a rummage in the spare parts boxes and I think if I use the vacuform Avro Shackleton MR.1 wings along with those from the Airfix Avro Lancaster B.2 they will be long enough. The Bristol Hercules engines seem at home for this build, just have to work out how to attach the new wings to the Mach2 DC-4 fuselage. Every thing else from the Heller Humbrol Douglas
DC-6B seems to fit including the foam retard under fuselage tank which will become a bomb bay.