Kit's Khaos

[Rick Lowe]

In the US Pacific Northwest they can't wait to blow up every hydroelectric dam.

Practice for the Army Engineering Corps...

[kerick]

And then complain about brown outs.

[Pellson]

Not really wanting to crash the party, but gentlemen - please read up a little more on EV's before disregarding them altogether. F.i, we can now recycle almost 97% of all the metals in an EV battery, meaning that we're actually recycling much more of a used up EV, than of a used up petrol vehicle. It's hard to grasp, but it is actually true.

Another cool thing is the loss of EV range with increased speed. The reason is that due to the fact that the drag increases by a square to the speed, and there's so little energy lost to internal friction, the drag is suddenly noticeable! In a fossil fuel car, it's hidden in the three quarters of the energy burnt that's lost to other things than actually making the vehicle move. Now do you get how much less energy an EV actually uses in comparison to a fossil car?

And obviously, there are downsides to EV's as to everything, but try a good upmarket one before giving up on them. They're nice!

[kerick]

Until it gets cold.
I'm attracted to the hybrids. The little gas motor really comes in handy for keeping that battery charged, especially in the cold.

[Rick Lowe]

Thanks, but I'll stick to an ICE.
All I can afford is second-hand and the market for used EVs is practically non-existent at present; and when they do come on the market, they'll be as expensive to run/repair as a petrol...

As they're going to make up all pay Road User Charges anyway I'd be inclined to go to a nice, dirty Diesel if it weren't for the fact they're all turbos...

They'll get you any way they can.

[Wardukw]

Nope .. i'm sticking with ICE and that's never going to change ,, one huge problem with EV's is the life span of the battery and the replacement costs .. which basically is the life of the car ,,ten yrs is about the limit and buying a second hand EV is either going to be in your garage for a very limited time and then you'll have to go buy another one ,,the last car i had was made in 2003 and engine wise is was prefect ,,rust tho was a big problem ,,my new car is from 2005 ,,it's already older than any EV on the road and it still is going sweet as a nut .. also i don't have to wait for god knows how long to continue my travels when i need to refuel .
Ken is dead right about the cold too .. in Canada and the UK they've gone with EV buses and found to their dismay that they have damn near no range ,,also in the UK they've tried EV garbage trucks and those have turned into a nightmare ,,i also do like owning a car that won't catch fire all by itself and there's tons of footage online of EV's doing exactly that   .,,yeah ,, ICE vehicles still rule .

[Pellson]

I have a friend who's driving a Tesla Model S from 2013. And it's done well over 200.000 km by now. Still 96% available capacity of the battery. But yes, the cold does eat capacity. On the other hand, how often do we drive farther than about 300 km in one go? Also, the maintenance seems to be rather cheap, provided you go with a good brand. Some fluid change and the usual wheel bearings etc. Brakes seem to rust sooner than they wear, due to regenerative braking, and there are neither en engine nor a gearbox with loads of moving parts. So it's a bit lika comparing a pen to a copier..
That said, I'm still with my diesel Land Rover myself. I haven't found a decent 7-seater with enough ground clearance, yet. But EV is the future, like it or not.

[Wardukw]

I have a friend who's driving a Tesla Model S from 2013. And it's done well over 200.000 km by now. Still 96% available capacity of the battery. But yes, the cold does eat capacity. On the other hand, how often do we drive farther than about 300 km in one go? Also, the maintenance seems to be rather cheap, provided you go with a good brand. Some fluid change and the usual wheel bearings etc. Brakes seem to rust sooner than they wear, due to regenerative braking, and there are neither en engine nor a gearbox with loads of moving parts. So it's a bit lika comparing a pen to a copier..
That said, I'm still with my diesel Land Rover myself. I haven't found a decent 7-seater with enough ground clearance, yet. But EV is the future, like it or not.

Today i will be driving over 400km towing a car trailer which weights over a ton ,then i'm going to be loading it with get this    a 2005 Mercedes  Benz E55 AMG estate 
Now that car weights nearly 2 tons and then i'll bring it back  .
EV's might be the way of the future but that future is being put on hold now ..every mandate the governments have put down on the table is getting pushed back further and further ,,the big brands are dumping their EVs because they've lost massive amounts of money .
EV sales in the UK are dropping very fast and Stellantis are going back to building diesel powered vehicles ..also Tesla is the first or second most unreliable EV's on the UK market ...the EV's are not really the future ,,hybrids are a better idea .
You mentioned about getting the wheel bearings done on his car ,,, that alone shows why these things are not as good as there cracked up to be ..the Mitsubishi Emearaude/Galant i used to have, i had for 11yrs ,it was build in 1994 and in the time i owned it i never had to change a wheel bearing or suspension parts of any kind  and man i gave that car death including rally racing it on a road we have here which is 27kms long with one 4kms being tarmac .the rest is gravel and mate ..it's alot of fun  in a gutless FWD car ,,my new car will just eat it as it's AWD and it's got heaps more power to play with 

[Pellson]

We'll see, Phil. 

[Captain Canada]

Congrats Kit ! Once the hustle and bustle of the move is complete, starting over in a single abode will make life so much more simple and enjoyable !

[NARSES2]

We'll see, Phil. 

Indeed you will 

[PR19_Kit]

Two days before we move, oooer.

TOTAL khaos here, good thing I don't have to move the stuff out of my Forest house for a while! 

[Nick]

Two days before we move, oooer.

TOTAL khaos here, good thing I don't have to move the stuff out of my Forest house for a while! 

Are you both selling your homes and moving into a place that is new to both of you?

[PR19_Kit]

No, I don't have to sell mine yet, I'll do that over the next few months, so I can move my stuff across more comfortably.

But somehow there seems to be two houses worth of 'stuff' packed into this one house of hers!    And the moving guys reckon they'll have it all packed up by lunchtime. Hah! Some chance! 

[scooter]

And the moving guys reckon they'll have it all packed up by lunchtime. Hah! Some chance! 

If they've done contract work as permanent change of station movers for the US military, they will have it done by noon...just don't expect any fragiles to survive their packing.