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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2019, 05:58:52 am »
Well the only Tornado I have in the stash is a resin Hawker Tornado, so if I can get my mojo back can anyone recommend which 1/72 scale kit I should try and get hold of ?

Not bothered about the version as, if I get into it, I'll probably do it as the Fleet Air Arm version.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2019, 06:09:36 am »
Revell for the IDS and Italeri for the ADV, Chris.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2019, 06:31:15 am »
As I was 'counting' kits over the last few days, I was looking at some of the Tornados I have. Got an Airfix MRCA, a Revell GR4 (or should say a weapons set with the GR4 thrown in for good measure), a couple of other ones and then I found my Airfix 617 Sqn Anniversary set, it has a 1/48 Tornado in it -- and I had bought all these extras for it -----  I also found I had bought some 1/72 wings with extended slats and flaps --

But now I'm getting distracted from my AV-22 build ----   :rolleyes:
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2019, 07:19:48 am »
I'm primarily a 1/48 scale builder but I'll build in any scale...

I think I'll peruse my local shop and see what he has in stock - let fortune favor the bold and let chance guide my choice.

A Canadian option is an exciting choice... Our F-18's are a drab couple of greys but the tail art is striking... Before that we did the green\grey and before that, natural metal with a red and white cheat line... Perhaps a search and rescue bird in yellows, orange and red?

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2019, 11:53:31 am »
I will through a couple more ideas out there

tiger squadron,  Bagpuss,  or spotted / clouded leopard

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2019, 11:55:35 am »
A few pretty camos for which I haven't yet concocted points-of-divergence.  These would be a lot more feasible as an Austere Tornado variant, with simplified ground-attack avionics instead of the full TFR-strike kit.  And perhaps the rear-seat panelled over.

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Brazil, instead of the AMX.  Maybe they found lots of silver in the Amazon.
Nigeria, just for that wraparound green camo.  Pretty unlikely but then so were the Jaguars!

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2019, 05:58:03 pm »
During the project definition phase Germany and Italy actually wanted a shorter-range, single-seat version of the IDS, since their experience was primarily with the F-104G/S. The RAF, coming from Canberra and Buccaneer experience and having a general preference for two-seat aircraft for high-workload missions, steadfastly demanded a longer-range two-seater. The eventual compromise was to use the same, two-seater airframe, a bit smaller than the RAF would have liked, with the option of the extra fuel tank in the fin which only the RAF used.

If you fancied some conversion work, you could try to make a German or Italian single-seater from an alternate timeline where they got their way, either based on the contemporary artwork or your own interpretation. IIRC, it wasn't much different to the two-seater in outline.

Alternatively, you could make an optimised RAF version with a longer fuselage. The obvious thing to do would be to put an IDS nose and IFR probe on a ADV fuselage, but maybe in an alternative timeline, they were still going for TSR.2-style range, and ended up with an even longer fuselage still...

Another alternative: the AFVG which preceded the MRCA placed more emphasis on the air-to-air role, so what if that had carried on into the MRCA? It shouldn't be that hard to give a Tornado airframe bigger air intakes and exhausts for more high-altitude oomph.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2019, 11:09:24 pm »
During the project definition phase Germany and Italy actually wanted a shorter-range, single-seat version of the IDS

Hard to imagine it being much shorter-ranged!  Underwing tanks were permanent features.  I remember an F-111 nav being interviewed and he was very dismissive of the Tornado's range having done an exchange tour, he said the pilot stared at the fuel gauge whereas in the 111 they barely glanced at it on a typical mission.

The IDS had 6,500 litres of internal fuel, the F/A-18A had 6,250 despite being several tonnes lighter and an F-4E had 7,020.  The F-111 had... over 19,000 litres  :o

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2019, 12:38:23 am »
Concerning the short range you also have to remember that the Tornado was primarily designed for the Cold War turned hot in the central European theatre. Any tactical targets would not have been too far away - the Tornado was a tsrike aircraft, not a true bomber. Besides, the F-111 is/was a much bigger aircraft.

However, and ADV with the longer fuselage, combined with the blunt IDS nose, could be a solution...?


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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2019, 01:08:40 am »
I will throw a couple more ideas out there

tiger squadron,  Bagpuss,  or spotted / clouded leopard...

...enjoy  :thumbsup:

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2019, 02:09:52 am »

Alternatively, you could make an optimised RAF version with a longer fuselage. The obvious thing to do would be to put an IDS nose and IFR probe on a ADV fuselage, but maybe in an alternative timeline, they were still going for TSR.2-style range, and ended up with an even longer fuselage still...


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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2019, 03:39:14 am »
During the project definition phase Germany and Italy actually wanted a shorter-range, single-seat version of the IDS

Hard to imagine it being much shorter-ranged!  Underwing tanks were permanent features.  I remember an F-111 nav being interviewed and he was very dismissive of the Tornado's range having done an exchange tour, he said the pilot stared at the fuel gauge whereas in the 111 they barely glanced at it on a typical mission.

The IDS had 6,500 litres of internal fuel, the F/A-18A had 6,250 despite being several tonnes lighter and an F-4E had 7,020.  The F-111 had... over 19,000 litres  :o

Sorry, didn't make myself clear:

The Germans and Italians wanted a smaller, shorter-range aircraft than the British did.

The Germans and Italians wanted a single-seater while the British wanted a two-seater.

The eventual compromise aircraft had a small fuselage with limited fuel (German/Italian preference) with two seats (British preference) and the option of an extra tank in the fin to partially allay British concerns about range.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2019, 04:30:53 am »
During the project definition phase Germany and Italy actually wanted a shorter-range, single-seat version of the IDS

Hard to imagine it being much shorter-ranged!  Underwing tanks were permanent features.  I remember an F-111 nav being interviewed and he was very dismissive of the Tornado's range having done an exchange tour, he said the pilot stared at the fuel gauge whereas in the 111 they barely glanced at it on a typical mission.

The IDS had 6,500 litres of internal fuel, the F/A-18A had 6,250 despite being several tonnes lighter and an F-4E had 7,020.  The F-111 had... over 19,000 litres  :o

Sorry, didn't make myself clear:

The Germans and Italians wanted a smaller, shorter-range aircraft than the British did.

The Germans and Italians wanted a single-seater while the British wanted a two-seater.

The eventual compromise aircraft had a small fuselage with limited fuel (German/Italian preference) with two seats (British preference) and the option of an extra tank in the fin to partially allay British concerns about range.

In effect a bit of a sows purse, it was too small and too limited to be a genuine TSR2 replacement for the RAF and was too big and complex for the Fiat G-91/F-104G Starfighter replacement the Germans and Italians wanted. The smaller single seat Panavia 100 was aimed in the Strike Fighter role, A larger Panavia 300 model was considered to meet the RAF needs but came to nothing and the 200 which became Tornado is the compromise solution that was finally built.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2019, 06:10:33 am »
Revell for the IDS and Italeri for the ADV, Chris.

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2019, 06:41:56 am »
So the Italians eventually went ahead with the AMX, and the Germans did the Alpha Jet.  And the Brits never really had enough range in the IDS.  And the UK didn't get F-15s because we had to make-up the promised numbers on the Tornado.

That has all rather demotivated me :(