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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread
« Reply #2145 on: July 15, 2019, 03:58:53 am »
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Now I've definitely done an RAF 'anti-flash white' Hustler before but as this is a new 3D model (by the prolific Veltro2K) I thought I'd do another one knocking up a couple of 'XP' serial numbers decals and also pale ejection triangles only to find I can't them to appear under the small window of the third crew member. Ah, well. No.100 Squadron, alongside No.139 Squadron, were one of the two Victor B.2 squadrons and both were briefly equipped with Blue Steel. BTW I'm open to offers on a more exciting V-Bomber name!


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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2146 on: July 15, 2019, 04:02:20 am »
I DO like the Velocity, it looks terrific in white.  :thumbsup:

And speaking of Blue Steels, would Strike Fighters let a Velocity carry a Blue Steel instead of the big bomb/tank?
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2147 on: July 15, 2019, 04:04:51 am »
I DO like the Velocity, it looks terrific in white.  :thumbsup:

And speaking of Blue Steels, would Strike Fighters let a Velocity carry a Blue Steel instead of the big bomb/tank?

I can't see why not but I don't currently have a Blue Steel.



Edit: I found one version of Blue Steel but it's quite odd in that it needed to be rotated 90 degrees and is then crazily offset to one side for some reason that I cannot fathom and I've spent an hour or so trying to sort it without success. Anyway the wings really are right in the way of the UC and it's also about twice as heavy as the load limit for the bomb pod so, in reality, it probably couldn't have carried it.
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - RAF B-58 Hustler (White)
« Reply #2148 on: July 15, 2019, 05:00:04 am »
This is looking very cool.  :thumbsup:

Wonder how a Hemp/Barley Grey livery would look on it=?

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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread
« Reply #2149 on: July 15, 2019, 06:00:54 am »
Bell P-39Z Jetcobra - United States Army Air Force, 1945















Another Veltro2K 3D model but this time a 'what if' based on a plastic model and one that might well have originated from here! Anyway, these are the two excellent skins that came with it so there's no input from me except to take the screenshots.

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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2150 on: July 15, 2019, 06:29:56 am »
I DO like the Velocity, it looks terrific in white.  :thumbsup:


As do I  :thumbsup:

I'm sure I have an Accademy 1/144 scale kit in the stash and I know I have the appropriate rondels  ;)

I do like the Jetcobra
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread
« Reply #2151 on: July 15, 2019, 07:26:12 am »
Another Veltro2K 3D model but this time a 'what if' based on a plastic model and one that might well have originated from here! Anyway, these are the two excellent skins that came with it so there's no input from me except to take the screenshots.

That's what I wanted to ask: is it based on my recent JetCobra (which was rather based on the bigger P-63)? Looks so familiar!  :lol:


1:72 Bell XP-68A „Airagator“ (a.k.a. “Barrelcobra”), second prototype; USAAF s/n 42-228878; Muroc Dry Lake during flight test and evaluation, April 1944 (Whif/kitbashing)
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread
« Reply #2152 on: July 15, 2019, 08:20:34 am »
Another Veltro2K 3D model but this time a 'what if' based on a plastic model and one that might well have originated from here! Anyway, these are the two excellent skins that came with it so there's no input from me except to take the screenshots.

That's what I wanted to ask: is it based on my recent JetCobra (which was rather based on the bigger P-63)? Looks so familiar!  :lol:


1:72 Bell XP-68A „Airagator“ (a.k.a. “Barrelcobra”), second prototype; USAAF s/n 42-228878; Muroc Dry Lake during flight test and evaluation, April 1944 (Whif/kitbashing)
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Yes, I've seen that photo which was then suggested as an idea.

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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2153 on: July 15, 2019, 08:31:31 am »

Edit: I found one version of Blue Steel but it's quite odd in that it needed to be rotated 90 degrees and is then crazily offset to one side for some reason that I cannot fathom and I've spent an hour or so trying to sort it without success. Anyway the wings really are right in the way of the UC and it's also about twice as heavy as the load limit for the bomb pod so, in reality, it probably couldn't have carried it.


It looks pretty good toting the Blue Steel for sure.  :thumbsup:

After a bit of Wiki-ing I find the Blue Steel weighed 7270 lbs and the max. weapons load of the Hustler was 19450 lbs so it could have carried two of them! Goodness knows where though, the Blue Steel's a fat old thing.  ;D
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2154 on: July 15, 2019, 08:41:45 am »

It looks pretty good toting the Blue Steel for sure.  :thumbsup:

After a bit of Wiki-ing I find the Blue Steel weighed 7270 lbs and the max. weapons load of the Hustler was 19450 lbs so it could have carried two of them! Goodness knows where though, the Blue Steel's a fat old thing.  ;D

Ah! Whoever made the Blue Steel 3D model has used 7270KG.

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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2155 on: July 15, 2019, 08:43:44 am »

It looks pretty good toting the Blue Steel for sure.  :thumbsup:

After a bit of Wiki-ing I find the Blue Steel weighed 7270 lbs and the max. weapons load of the Hustler was 19450 lbs so it could have carried two of them! Goodness knows where though, the Blue Steel's a fat old thing.  ;D

Ah! Whoever made the Blue Steel 3D model has used 7270KG.


 :banghead: The short range version then.  ;D
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2156 on: July 15, 2019, 12:37:20 pm »
I DO like the Velocity, it looks terrific in white.  :thumbsup:

And speaking of Blue Steels, would Strike Fighters let a Velocity carry a Blue Steel instead of the big bomb/tank?

I can't see why not but I don't currently have a Blue Steel.



Edit: I found one version of Blue Steel but it's quite odd in that it needed to be rotated 90 degrees and is then crazily offset to one side for some reason that I cannot fathom and I've spent an hour or so trying to sort it without success. Anyway the wings really are right in the way of the UC and it's also about twice as heavy as the load limit for the bomb pod so, in reality, it probably couldn't have carried it.

What about Skybolts?

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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2157 on: July 15, 2019, 02:19:04 pm »

What about Skybolts?


It would have only been able to carry one as they weighed 11000 lbs.
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Re: Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - Vigilante S.1 RAF
« Reply #2158 on: July 15, 2019, 04:34:39 pm »
Its struck me that the Japanese camo scheme higher up this page on the Phantom (and used on their F-1s) might look good on a Voodoo.  It's close to the usual SEA camo scheme but is different enough to be, ummmm, different.

The colors are quite bright, while the pattern itself is the classic SEA scheme. As far as I could find out, the upper tones are FS 34097, 34108 and 30372, and white from below. <...>

The Model Art Profile books list FS16440 Light Gull Gray for the undersides of both the JASDF F-4s and F-1s.
Interestingly enough, the colours Dizzy found out for the F-4 topsides are also stated in the Model Art book, but not for the F-1!  :o They list FS colours for the underside and some details, but not the three main topside colours. Those are given in Japanese and some Latin letters: 7. 5GY4. 0/2. 0 for the olive green, 2. 5G4. 0/4. 0 for the other green and 10. OYR7. 0/2. 0 for the beige colour. Is that some Japanese colour coding system?

Oh, and Japanese Voodoos? Great idea!  :thumbsup:
Had intended to do some profiles years ago - even got so far as a blank F-101 profile -, but then the mojo went bust.  :-X


Why does the Vigilante tend to look such a "natural" in RAF colours ? Particularly anti-flash white and low viz roundels.
Because it looks like a 'slim line' TSR2?  ;)

Might be a nice what-if to re-wing a TSR.2 and put some other intakes on her.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Spinners' Strike Fighters Thread - USAAF P-39 Jetcobra
« Reply #2159 on: July 16, 2019, 12:00:39 am »
AFAIK, the authentic colors for the JSDAF (R)F-4EJs are FS 34097, 34108 and 30372, with white undersides, and I think that these are the same as on the F-1s in tactical cammo . These colors are hard to find for modelers, though, and when you take a look at real world aircraft pictures the impressions of these tones really vary. FS 34097 can, at times look like a brown tone, while FS 34108 is a really bright green with a bluish hue. I chose the colors on my VF-1 based on reference pictures.

IIRC, SPINNERs did a Hawker Hunter FR.10 in this scheme with JASDF markings a while ago - this looked very elegant, too, and even plausible (was earmarked for a build, I even organized an aftermarket camera nose, but has not materialized yet).
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