Lightnings ... um ... edited

Started by Scotaidh, June 10, 2019, 09:16:27 AM

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Scotaidh

I've always liked the EE (later BAC) Lightning, ever since I found that the Mk1 (model) could balance on it's stabilizers and fin ... so I've decided to edit the basic shape a bit.

Two bits, actually - first by chopping






and then by stretching:



Kindly disregard the missiles' mis-positioning on the stretch image - they'll be in their proper place on the model.





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As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o

Mind you, it looks cool, & that's what counts! :thumbsup:

Not sure how I feel about the stretched version but at least it'd have a better range. ;)
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Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:
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Quote from: NARSES2 on June 11, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Gondor

Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on June 11, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

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Quote from: Gondor on June 11, 2019, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on June 11, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

Gondor


It's a tail sitting VTO fighter, the 'runway' is 0 ft long.  ;D ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

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Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: Gondor on June 11, 2019, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 06:53:30 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on June 11, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

Gondor


It's a tail sitting VTO fighter, the 'runway' is 0 ft long.  ;D ;)

Ah but for landing, succesfully, the runway will have to be VERY long!

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Quote from: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 AM
As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o

Mind you, it looks cool, & that's what counts! :thumbsup:

Not sure how I feel about the stretched version but at least it'd have a better range. ;)

Well ... much as Kit believes all aircraft need would look better with longer wings, I feel that most military aircraft are disproportionately short and would be improved, both aesthetically and in handling characteristics, by being stretched a bit. 

My justification is the long-tail P-40.  I'd never really thought about improving it - it just was, if you follow me.  Then I saw the two version side by each, as they say here, and it was one of those epiphany moments.

So, some factors for the ideal aircraft:
1: A British test pilot (BTP) saying that the only aircraft he'd ever flown that had "enough wing" was the Vulcan;
2: Another BTP saying that the only aircraft he'd ever flown that was properly powered was the Lightning;
3: Me saying that most aircraft are not long enough to be pleasing to the eye;

and we get a stretched thin (Vulcan-profile) winged Javelin powered by a pair of Pegasus 107s.  :)
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Personally, I'd give the second - lengthened - Lightning a delta wing, because it would look cooler.  I'd also raise the nose, giving it a bigger radar and a chin intake.  I've been wanting to do that to a Lightning for some time.
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Quote from: Scotaidh on June 12, 2019, 01:42:37 AM

and we get a stretched thin (Vulcan-profile) winged Javelin powered by a pair of Pegasus 107s.  :)


One above the other?  ;D ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Scotaidh

Right.  Since I'm doing both models more or less at the same time, I've combined the build files.  Latest Progress:



The wings are on the Chopped Lightning, and now I'm doing the RWR. This is an upgrade, obviously, to the basic airframe. :)
I'm also upgrading the missiles. I'm not sure if I should go for Sidewinders (or the Matra equivalent) or something a bit longer ranged, like AIM-120 AMRAAMs. Maybe figure out how to have both types of missile capability?
Someone mentioned range - I think that will be unchanged, as there's a lot more wing space. ;)

Finally done with the Stretched Lightning fuselage PSR. Sheet plastic stiffeners under a layer of Aves under alternating layers of Squadron Green and White. New wing locations established. I left the mounting stubs on the wings, and cut holes for them so they're positively located. I'm sure the Jokster Modeling god, Locus, will mock my attempts at port/starboard equal locations, but I did measure - twice. :) The wings are, right now, just on with Testor's Liquid Model Cement which usually gives me good results in spite of the fact that the model is _not_ a liquid ... Once that dries, the joints will be reinforced with super glue.


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Weaver

The short Lightning ("Shortening"?) reminds me of the Boulton-Paul P.111 and P.120...





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