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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #135 on: May 01, 2019, 06:16:08 am »
To reach Very High Performances, the Mirage layout had to be changed, into twin-boom:
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #136 on: May 11, 2019, 06:50:04 pm »
Two weeks ago, I wrote a what-if History of "Who broke the sound barrier?", my 2 personal theories being a Mirage or an asymmetric Mirage. It is in French, sorry, at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/murSon.htm
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #137 on: June 01, 2019, 04:35:22 am »
In the Dassault design bureau, there was a big jealousy: "Why the British engineers found before us how to have a twin-jet without asymmetry on a single engine" (if one fails or is shut down in cruise to increase range). So Mirages were modified to be (almost) as good (without paying Copyright): :angry: :-\ :unsure:
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #138 on: June 02, 2019, 02:23:29 pm »
Tophe,

there was actually a real project to install an afterburning Viper turbojet in its own pod on top of the Mirage III rear fuselage for Australia, see https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/unbuilt-prototype-mirages-1955-1980.837/page-6#post-177848.

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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #139 on: June 02, 2019, 08:35:43 pm »
Thanks Martin!
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #140 on: June 07, 2019, 11:08:49 pm »
Seeing the (technical) success of the B-58 Hustler, Dassault Industries argued: "this is an illegal copy of our own Mirage 558: of course we thought of such a multi-engine Mirage, not falling down from the sky if the jet fails!"
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #141 on: June 10, 2019, 10:41:23 am »
Thanks to Scotaidh's topic https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=46590.0 (about EE Lightnings), here are modified Mirages:
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #142 on: August 09, 2019, 08:23:28 am »
The Dassault engineers, seeing the North American YF-107 Ultra-Sabre, were much impressed. Then they "invented" the Ultra-Mirage, and North American required a big Copyright. That is the reason why it was not mass produced.
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #143 on: August 25, 2019, 10:04:51 am »
During the Sales of the Century, circa 1975, Dassault commercials laughed of the YF-16 canopy: "without proper windscreen, it will explode at the first bird hurting it!", but the F-16 won the contract and flew safely. So canopies of Dassault Mirages were a little updated, ahem...
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2019, 06:52:29 am »
Dassault designers judged the dorsal tank on the Skyhawk was a good idea... ;D

(but not mass produced as the Copyright price was excessive) :-\
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #145 on: October 27, 2019, 09:43:08 am »
In the years 1968-1973, I was just a llittle kid, and I heard words I did not understand: "about France and USSR, let's make love not war", and that direction, mixed with Mirages 5, Yakovlev 28, Ilyushin 28, gave babies: <_<
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #146 on: November 08, 2019, 08:29:39 pm »
A big nose may be useful for a huge radar like on the Mirage 2000, but it is so ugly... (on a slim Mirage 5) :-\ ;)
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #147 on: November 08, 2019, 11:03:59 pm »
And from a cartoon book (I presented the source at https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=34696.225 ):
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2019, 01:40:27 pm »
The Mirage SIG stand at Telford had a central display of various Mirage prototypes, and the differences between them and the production versions is quite astonishing.

I'll try and take a pic of the display tomorrow.
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Re: Mirage III, Mirage V, Nesher, Dagger, and Kfir
« Reply #149 on: November 23, 2019, 12:26:25 am »
The Mirage SIG stand at Telford had a central display of various Mirage prototypes, and the differences between them and the production versions is quite astonishing.
I'll try and take a pic of the display tomorrow.
Haven't you found something interesting? or is this posted elsewhere?

And from a cartoon book (I presented the source at https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=34696.225 ):
I just got volume 2 with different silhouettes, interesting also:
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