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Title: Lightnings ... um ... edited
Post by: Scotaidh on June 10, 2019, 09:16:27 am
I've always liked the EE (later BAC) Lightning, ever since I found that the Mk1 (model) could balance on it's stabilizers and fin ... so I've decided to edit the basic shape a bit.

Two bits, actually - first by chopping
(https://i.imgur.com/olOKcLB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wXORedo.jpg)



and then by stretching:

(https://i.imgur.com/X5jYtqB.png?1)

Kindly disregard the missiles' mis-positioning on the stretch image - they'll be in their proper place on the model.

(https://i.imgur.com/Lkz853A.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/isjOIln.jpg)

Title: Re: Lightnings ... um ... edited
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 10, 2019, 09:46:08 am
I like them both, a LOT!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Tophe on June 10, 2019, 10:19:24 am
Congratulations! :thumbsup:

EDIT: you made me dream of similar Mirages (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=10054.135 ), thanks!
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Post by: Old Wombat on June 11, 2019, 04:24:27 am
As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o

Mind you, it looks cool, & that's what counts! :thumbsup:

Not sure how I feel about the stretched version but at least it'd have a better range. ;)
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Post by: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 04:53:36 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o
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Post by: NARSES2 on June 11, 2019, 06:32:49 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:
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Post by: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 06:53:30 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)
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Post by: Gondor on June 11, 2019, 10:09:35 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

Gondor
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Post by: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2019, 10:43:13 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

Gondor


It's a tail sitting VTO fighter, the 'runway' is 0 ft long.  ;D ;)
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Post by: JayBee on June 11, 2019, 11:07:11 am

As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o


It'd be a 'point defence fighter' I reckon.....

A very SMALL point!  :o

Rutland Territorial Defence Force ?  :mellow:


Might be too big an area................  ;)

Will it have enough fuel to get to the end or the runway?

Gondor


It's a tail sitting VTO fighter, the 'runway' is 0 ft long.  ;D ;)

Ah but for landing, succesfully, the runway will have to be VERY long!

Title: Re: Lightnings ... um ... edited
Post by: Scotaidh on June 12, 2019, 01:42:37 am
As the original Fright'ning was not exactly renowned for its long legs, I'd hate to think what the range is on the chopped version! :o

Mind you, it looks cool, & that's what counts! :thumbsup:

Not sure how I feel about the stretched version but at least it'd have a better range. ;)

Well ... much as Kit believes all aircraft need would look better with longer wings, I feel that most military aircraft are disproportionately short and would be improved, both aesthetically and in handling characteristics, by being stretched a bit. 

My justification is the long-tail P-40.  I'd never really thought about improving it - it just was, if you follow me.  Then I saw the two version side by each, as they say here, and it was one of those epiphany moments.

So, some factors for the ideal aircraft:
1: A British test pilot (BTP) saying that the only aircraft he'd ever flown that had "enough wing" was the Vulcan;
2: Another BTP saying that the only aircraft he'd ever flown that was properly powered was the Lightning;
3: Me saying that most aircraft are not long enough to be pleasing to the eye;

and we get a stretched thin (Vulcan-profile) winged Javelin powered by a pair of Pegasus 107s.  :)
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Post by: The Wooksta! on June 12, 2019, 03:00:57 am
Personally, I'd give the second - lengthened - Lightning a delta wing, because it would look cooler.  I'd also raise the nose, giving it a bigger radar and a chin intake.  I've been wanting to do that to a Lightning for some time.
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Post by: PR19_Kit on June 12, 2019, 04:23:46 am

and we get a stretched thin (Vulcan-profile) winged Javelin powered by a pair of Pegasus 107s.  :)


One above the other?  ;D ;D
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Post by: Scotaidh on June 26, 2019, 01:41:23 pm
Right.  Since I'm doing both models more or less at the same time, I've combined the build files.  Latest Progress:

(https://i.imgur.com/XPRtSfV.jpg?2)

The wings are on the Chopped Lightning, and now I'm doing the RWR. This is an upgrade, obviously, to the basic airframe. :)
I'm also upgrading the missiles. I'm not sure if I should go for Sidewinders (or the Matra equivalent) or something a bit longer ranged, like AIM-120 AMRAAMs. Maybe figure out how to have both types of missile capability?
Someone mentioned range - I think that will be unchanged, as there's a lot more wing space. ;)

Finally done with the Stretched Lightning fuselage PSR. Sheet plastic stiffeners under a layer of Aves under alternating layers of Squadron Green and White. New wing locations established. I left the mounting stubs on the wings, and cut holes for them so they're positively located. I'm sure the Jokster Modeling god, Locus, will mock my attempts at port/starboard equal locations, but I did measure - twice. :) The wings are, right now, just on with Testor's Liquid Model Cement which usually gives me good results in spite of the fact that the model is _not_ a liquid ... Once that dries, the joints will be reinforced with super glue.


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Post by: Weaver on June 26, 2019, 02:12:20 pm
The short Lightning ("Shortening"?) reminds me of the Boulton-Paul P.111 and P.120...

(http://airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/bp111/bp111-7.jpg)

(https://www.aviationsmilitaires.net/media/pictures/bp120-2.jpg)

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Post by: Tophe on June 26, 2019, 04:39:09 pm
Latest Progress:
Good! Go on! :thumbsup:
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Post by: zenrat on June 27, 2019, 04:15:30 am
Shortening would look good with a Concorde wing profile.
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Post by: Scotaidh on June 28, 2019, 06:51:34 am
A little more done last night

(https://i.imgur.com/gooJ9u3.jpg)

RWR completed. What is turning out to be the first coat of Duck Egg Blue is on the undersurfaces. It's a bit thin, this paint, so thin and many coats is the way to go, I guess, with a light scrub with steel wool between coats to help with surface smoothness.

(https://i.imgur.com/zz7VOfH.jpg)

Side by each it's easy to see that what was taken from one was added to the other. I'm still undecided as to armament, other than internal cannon - I don't intend to ever unlearn the lessons of Vietnam. I was asked about making the stretch a delta-wing, but I don't think it needs it. Besides, I already have two Delta Lightnings - the Chopped Lightning and the Lightning Dragon. You know what they say about too much of a good thing ...

For those who want to know, the Lightning Dragon can be seen here:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zd7Tr9M.jpg)
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Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 08:52:07 am

(https://i.imgur.com/gooJ9u3.jpg)


Looks remarkably like an XFY-1 Pogo without the prop in that pic.  :o
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Post by: Scotaidh on July 25, 2019, 09:57:09 am
(https://i.imgur.com/v66SHf6.jpg)

Finally done with PSR and now to paint.

The Chopped will be an strike aircraft , so it gets an over-all Olive Drab Green over Slate Grey scheme. 

The Stretch will be an interceptor, so it gets the blue on blue scheme. The underside is Duck Egg Blue; the topsides will be a pastiche of darker blues over Pastel Blue.

The main undercarriage (on both) has been moved to allow for under-wing ordnance. ;) Since they're posed in "Flight" mode, you'll have to take my word about that - but it's housed in what used to be the ventral conformal fuel tank.

Note: I was going blind trying to read the labels on the Humbrol tins, so I've made my own. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/z6HdLro.jpg)

In the foreground are potential weapons for these aircraft. Due to the re-engineering of the undercarriage the under-wing surfaces are now available for ordnance.

The Chop will get more fuel tanks, the usual bombs and rockets, and two Sidewinders for self-protection.

The Stretch will get fuel tanks and an air-to-air missile load-out.

I'm having a "Sidewinder" shortage. I'd really like to have a source for Matra's neat little heat-seekers - heck, anyone's short-range heat-seekers - but, having looked on-line, it looks as if I'd have to buy full kits from Heller. I've no objection to Heller kits, mind - but it's an expensive way to get two missiles.

Anyone got any sources they'd like to share, other than Shapeways?
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Post by: Gondor on July 25, 2019, 10:40:40 am
Which versions of Sidewinders?

Do you want Generic Sidewinders?

Gondor
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Post by: Scotaidh on July 25, 2019, 10:46:07 am
Which versions of Sidewinders?

Do you want Generic Sidewinders?

Gondor

Yes - that'd be fine.  In 1/72 there's not a lot of detail differential.  Wikipedia identifies about 17 countries as having IR missiles - some are just copies of the Sidewinder; others are unique, like the South African A-Darter and V3 Kukri and the Israeli Shafrir and Python series.

Here's their list:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile
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Post by: 63cpe on July 25, 2019, 11:53:13 am
That looking great Scotaidh! Love them both. :wub: :thumbsup:

David aka 63cpe
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Post by: Tophe on July 25, 2019, 12:17:41 pm
wow! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Gondor on July 25, 2019, 12:36:16 pm
Which versions of Sidewinders?

Do you want Generic Sidewinders?

Gondor

Yes - that'd be fine.  In 1/72 there's not a lot of detail differential.  Wikipedia identifies about 17 countries as having IR missiles - some are just copies of the Sidewinder; others are unique, like the South African A-Darter and V3 Kukri and the Israeli Shafrir and Python series.

Here's their list:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile

Send me a Private Message with your address and I will send you a few

Gondor
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Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2019, 06:24:14 am
They are both looking good  :thumbsup:


Note: I was going blind trying to read the labels on the Humbrol tins, so I've made my own. :)


I do something very similar  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightnings ... um ... edited
Post by: Scotaidh on July 26, 2019, 11:03:12 am
Thanks, guys.  It's been very slow going, mostly due to the very high humidity we've been having here.  It is taking about two days for each application of putty and paint to dry to the point I don't leave finger-prints.   :banghead:
Title: Re: Lightnings ... um ... edited
Post by: Scotaidh on September 02, 2019, 01:34:28 pm
The (Chopped) Lightning Ground Strike:

I've been busy acquiring weapons and deciding loadouts ... Then I discovered that all those weapons sets don't include pylons.  Since the Lightning didn't have any under-wing pylons I was forced to borrow and copy them from another kit - that's why there're four white pylons under the Chopped Lightning. 

Load-out will be, from inboard to outboard, a GBU-10, six Mk.82 bombs, and a  triple rack of Brimstone missiles.  The two self-defense AAMs are of an unknown type, so I've invented a Scottish home-grown one I'm calling the Skean Dhu.  In my mind, it's basically a Scots copy of the Kukri Off-axis AAM, fired from a helmet sight. 
As you can see, I'm retaining the over-wing drop-tanks.

(https://i.imgur.com/n70d5pk.jpg)

I'm still getting the Mk.82s together.  Once this one is done I will address the (Stretched) Cloud Lightning interceptor ...
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Post by: Old Wombat on September 02, 2019, 06:26:00 pm
Woh! Heavy metal time! :o


Skean Dhu (a.k.a. Sgian Dubh, apparently) is a great name for a short-range AIM. :thumbsup:
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Post by: nighthunter on September 03, 2019, 08:48:51 am
Sgian Dubh is what I named a whiff fighter, also a Delta wing
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Post by: Scotaidh on September 03, 2019, 12:43:13 pm
Woh! Heavy metal time! :o


Skean Dhu (a.k.a. Sgian Dubh, apparently) is a great name for a short-range AIM. :thumbsup:

Potato, pommes de terre ...  ;)

I've seen both spellings.  'S what happens when one language uses the alphabet of another language.  :)
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Post by: Scotaidh on September 09, 2019, 02:30:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/7YEG2XE.jpg?1)

Weapons mounted
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Post by: Captain Canada on September 09, 2019, 04:23:38 pm
Very cool ! Bombed to the b'jesus that !
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Post by: Old Wombat on September 09, 2019, 08:13:09 pm
Very cool ! Bombed to the b'jesus that !

Agreed! :mellow: :thumbsup:

Woh! Heavy metal time! :o


Skean Dhu (a.k.a. Sgian Dubh, apparently) is a great name for a short-range AIM. :thumbsup:

Potato, pommes de terre ...  ;)

I've seen both spellings.  'S what happens when one language uses the alphabet of another language.  :)

I knew what a skean dhu was but decided to look it up on Google, anyway (get sidetracked into lots of fun things that way), & almost everything had the sgian dubh spelling, which I'd never seen before.
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Post by: Scotaidh on September 10, 2019, 02:15:39 am
Very cool ! Bombed to the b'jesus that !

Agreed! :mellow: :thumbsup:

Woh! Heavy metal time! :o


Skean Dhu (a.k.a. Sgian Dubh, apparently) is a great name for a short-range AIM. :thumbsup:

Potato, pommes de terre ...  ;)

I've seen both spellings.  'S what happens when one language uses the alphabet of another language.  :)

I knew what a skean dhu was but decided to look it up on Google, anyway (get sidetracked into lots of fun things that way), & almost everything had the sgian dubh spelling, which I'd never seen before.

Thanks, guys.  I think the missiles were intended to be Sidewinder B's, but the nose is too long and the rear fins have an angled trailing edge and are hugely proportioned, so I just slapped on a made-up name.  The Cambridge Dictionary (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/skean-dhu) has this to say ...  ;)

I have a hard time with Google, MS Word, and Wikipedia being the arbiters of "All Knowledge" - but I've realized that it really wasn't too much different when I was a child.  But then, the sources were World Book, Compton's, Encyclopedia Britannica, Merriam's  and the Oxford English dictionaries ...

In my youth I used to build models as fast as humanly possible, and they looked it.  So, I guess possibly as penance, I take my time - allow glue and paint to dry, take the time to obtain the parts and pieces I need - which means that I'm enjoying the  build process much more.  That does mean, sadly, that I enjoy the finished model less, although it does give me the chance to consider what to build next - always fun.  :D
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 19, 2019, 01:37:34 pm
Markings are a particular pain for me - national, squadron ; you name it, I hate 'em.  I never seem to be able to make them look real.

Especially this is true of the markings I invent.  Financially stuck with an inkjet printer, I have taken to simply printing out my creations and gluing them to the aircraft, usually with thinned white glue.

No more!  I have found a better mousetrap, if you will, and it's called Jot clear glue.  It is made in China (where else) and brought to America at the behest of a company rejoicing in the name of Greenbriar International, Inc. of Chesapeake, Virginia; and in Canada by DTSC Imports of Burnaby, British Columbia. 

It dries clear.  Yes, yes, I know that Elmer's is supposed to do that also, but there seems to always be a white border, a translucency instead of transparency.  Jot dries transparent.

(https://i.imgur.com/ymg5Hzt.png)

These are the markings I've made up for my version of the Royal Scottish Airforce - the blue-and-white saltire roundels and the squadron markings - the triquetra, the kelpe, thistle, royal lion rampant, celtic cross, and the crossed swords, both with and without the gold background.

The roundels are sized to 3/8" diameter; the plain Squadron markings are 1/2"; and the gold-backed Squadron markings are 5/8".

Brush on a thin layer of Jot where the decal is to be placed; emplace the decal and remove any air bubbles; brush a thin layer of Jot to cover  the decal, and let it all dry.  The glue is water-wipe-up, like Elmer's, but once dry can endure a little water with impunity - the amount of water required to, say, emplace a water-slide decal for things like aircraft number and emergency placards.

I'm very chuffed by this stuff - the Decal Dilemma has been plaguing me for some weeks now.  :)  But, decals are on, matte varnish is drying as we speak, and soon I'll have pictures to prove it.  :)

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Post by: The Wooksta! on October 19, 2019, 05:53:53 pm
Make sure the resolution is REALLY high/BIG!  72dpi (dots per inch) will look fine on a monitor but printed looks utter cack.  Go for a minimum of 600dpi.
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Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 20, 2019, 01:47:21 am
Yup, that's the weakness of using MS Paint. You cannot manipulate the resolution/size, and this is confined to monitor format (72 or 96 dpi at best). For printing, a minimum of 300 dpi is recommended.
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 20, 2019, 03:28:24 am
Yup, that's the weakness of using MS Paint. You cannot manipulate the resolution/size, and this is confined to monitor format (72 or 96 dpi at best). For printing, a minimum of 300 dpi is recommended.

Well, Paint is what I have - it's all I have, so ... My setting is 96 DPI, and you're right, I can't change it. 

<shrug>  "What can't be cured must be endured."

Maybe my eyesight is worse than I thought.  Maybe it's just because that's all I've ever known and I'm used to it, but my print-out looks fine to me, even with my glasses off and the paper an inch from my nose.  :) 

But, with decals as with paint and persnickety small details on a 1" = 6' scale; I reckon that viewing a 1/72 scale aircraft at 1' - 2' viewing distance is about the same as seeing the real aircraft 72' - 144' away.  How many panel lines, small details, and etc. are you really going to see/notice?  With my myopic eyes, even lens corrected to 20x20 - not many.  In my youth I once met someone who painted the hands on the pilot's wristwatch in 1/72 ... I then thought, and still think, he's mad.

Question - at what resolution are decals printed; you know, the ones in the kit boxes?
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 26, 2019, 08:14:01 am
I can't think of a modern combat aircraft that doesn't have an Inflight Refueling capability, and although it's a bit late in the build, better late than never, I guess.

For the Ground Strike Lightning I decided to use a version of the F.6 fixed probe.  The nozzle was giving me fits, trying to find something that looked the part but was also that small.  I tried lathing sprue, shaping it with Swiss files and an X-acto knife - it looked good, but in 1/48 scale.  I finally settled on the business end of a ball-point pen filler, using dish soap to get rid of the ink.  It's still a bit oversize, but I can live with it.

(https://i.imgur.com/vz5NwJS.jpg)

For the Cloud Lightning I decided a folding probe, similar to that on a Tonka, would be better, so I set about making one.

(https://i.imgur.com/jEOQzsA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eSK18hQ.jpg)

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Post by: Rick Lowe on October 26, 2019, 02:35:10 pm
That pen point works well - I'll have to remember that trick! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 26, 2019, 03:03:00 pm
Finally!  The Cloud Lightning, operated only by the Royal Scots Armed Forces, is complete. 

My photography is crap, especially compared to some of you, but I hope you enjoy this pictures anyway.  :)  The model is suspended on 4lb test monofilament (fishing line).  In college I had a chunk of fish net hanging from my ceiling - carefully attached so as to avoid the wrath of the dormitory officials - and stretched and gathered to create separate areas.  I made double-hooks from paper clips (two per clip), which served to attach the monofilament on the models to the netting.  I had little vignettes (pun intended) all over, so I could sit at my desk or where-ever and see dogfights, bombing runs, high-altitude recon, and so on. 
The netting has given way to heavy-duty staples and I'm taking over the basement, much to my wife's discontent.  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/CjXDByN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1Oc4qgl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ovWh4fq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tOFhdhp.jpg)


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Post by: Tophe on October 26, 2019, 05:04:24 pm
Good! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Old Wombat on October 27, 2019, 06:43:18 am
Like the camo scheme! :thumbsup:
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Post by: NARSES2 on October 27, 2019, 07:30:26 am
Like the camo scheme! :thumbsup:

Yup, it's quite elegant as well. The extra fuselage length suits it  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 27, 2019, 11:17:25 am
Thanks, guys.  :)
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Post by: kitbasher on October 27, 2019, 12:08:22 pm
the Cloud Lightning is very Gerry Anderson (Thunderbirds era).   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rick Lowe on October 27, 2019, 12:53:32 pm
Like the camo scheme! :thumbsup:

Yup, it's quite elegant as well. The extra fuselage length suits it  :thumbsup:

+1  :thumbsup:
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Post by: philp on October 27, 2019, 01:31:29 pm
These both look great.
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Post by: Scotaidh on October 31, 2019, 02:00:45 pm
The Lightning Ground Strike is now complete.  Due to a bout of rainstorms I was unable to spray Dullcote, so had to go to the Apponaug Color & Hobby Shop, Inc. for a bottle of some brush-able  equivalent.  He's not open on Mondays, so on Tuesday, after my dentist was finished with me, I sallied forth to Acquire.  :) 

Today, suitably fortified with Bundaberg Ginger Beer, I got the canopy on and some pictures taken - as seen below.  Please overlook the un-masked corner - I'm making do with sheets of styrene - For Sale signs from my local Ace Hardware - and doing my best to not have the shadow of my bonce in the picture.  One of these days I really must get myself a proper photo booth ...

(https://i.imgur.com/PgzGhJS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i67k6sg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/N2qFMQm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qOHxgTD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XGouA2y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dsixzdd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MkSeTlW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/36cxcYC.jpg)

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Post by: zenrat on November 01, 2019, 03:01:39 am
I like it.  Looks purposeful.
Good job.

 :thumbsup:
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Post by: NARSES2 on November 01, 2019, 06:57:38 am
  Looks purposeful.
Good job.

 :thumbsup:

It certainly does  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Old Wombat on November 01, 2019, 07:14:18 am
Terrorist training camp? What terrorist training camp? :unsure:

Ain't nothin' but a bad day at the receiving end of that lot! Great job on this one, too, mate! :thumbsup: