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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2020, 12:51:55 am »
Joined the top and bottom halves, added the tailplanes and the engine intake cowlings. Both the last two items are going to need some PSR, they don't fit all that well. :(



A bit off-topic here, sorry.  I've never liked this aircraft, but this picture makes me want to build one of these as a twin-jet.  Scratch some two-dimensional exhaust nozzles, figure out what to do with the prop-shaft housings, and have a pretty (far-fetched) little jet fighter.  :)

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2020, 01:15:57 am »
In this context, I found a sketch of a pure jet version of the F5U in a book - purely fictional, though:


Post-war STOL Skimmer concept drawing
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And, BTW, there actually was a rival for the F5U from Boeing, the B.390 project with a single turboprop and more of a central fuselage - and actually not with the F5U's STOL capabilities:


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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2020, 01:52:39 am »
...picture makes me want to build one of these as a twin-jet.  Scratch some two-dimensional exhaust nozzles, figure out what to do with the prop-shaft housings, and have a pretty (far-fetched) little jet fighter.  :)...

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2020, 02:15:06 am »
Not a bad idea at all!!  Only problem is if the rates of fire are not exactly synchronised, I can visualise the whole affair hurtling round the sky like a badly thrown frisbee.
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2020, 04:10:18 am »
In this context, I found a sketch of a pure jet version of the F5U in a book - purely fictional, though:


Post-war STOL Skimmer concept drawing
by dizzyfugu, on Flickr

Spread the nozzles out into thin slits at the trailing edge, then have intake slits upstream from them that a) cool the nozzles, b) cool the exhaust stream and c) act like thrust-reversers. Essentially, they'd be like linear A-37 Viggen nozzles.
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2020, 04:21:30 am »

It has the added advantage that if the pupil really screws up, the instructor can scoot forwards a bit and kick him in the side of the head... :wacko:


Just like a Jaguar, Tucano or any other modern trainer.  ;D

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2020, 05:40:19 am »
Without the props there'd be no big vortices to generate the massive lift at low speeds which was the root of Zimmerman's patent. The single finned pure jet version just wouldn't work the same way, and that goes for the Boeing aircraft too.

Plus the RW F5U had a couple of automatically operated flaps at the trailing edge, between the two fins, that stabilised it during landing. The jet version doesn't have the room for those flaps either.

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2020, 06:31:07 am »
I think Unicraft do a "kit" of that Boeing project ?
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2020, 08:07:00 am »
Yes, I remember having seen a model of the B.390.

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2020, 09:22:43 am »
I think Unicraft do a "kit" of that Boeing project ?

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2020, 09:45:51 am »
I think Unicraft do a "kit" of that Boeing project ?

Please do NOT use the word 'Kit" and "Unicraft" in the same sentence!


As if.....  ;D ;)
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2020, 03:41:22 pm »
The PSRing of the Pancake was a right pain, the intakes didn't fit at all well, and the tailplanes were pretty awful too. But amazingly it came OK in the end, mainly by the use of Albion Alloys narrow sanding sticks to get round the intake areas.

I've put one coat of primer on and I think the PSR's pretty well done!  :thumbsup: ;D





It looks strangely different without the cowl flaps sticking up half way down the engine fairings.
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2020, 04:51:00 pm »
For markings, how about Canadian Navy as a COD aircraft?  I'll pass on some resin barrels so it could be delivering Maple syrup supplies.

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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2020, 03:13:24 am »

For markings, how about Canadian Navy as a COD aircraft?  I'll pass on some resin barrels so it could be delivering Maple syrup supplies.

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No, it's slated to be a USN Trainer, in that T-28 scheme I posted elsewhere much earlier.
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Re: Double Pancake
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2020, 06:40:39 am »
I think Unicraft do a "kit" of that Boeing project ?

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That's why I put it in parenthesis  :angel:
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