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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2018, 03:02:57 am »
Red Beard also comes with Airfix TSR.2...

Well that answers that question.  I was wondering what it was.
Would, oh lets say a Gladiator, be able to carry one?
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2018, 04:19:26 am »
Ah! Ha!  I just happen to have a TSR.2 on the bookshelf.  Yes, it does indeed contain a Red Beard.  My, how interesting.  I have a cunning plan...   :thumbsup:
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2018, 05:23:26 am »
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Colin has a Red Beard in his range, complete with a Buccaneer bomb bay door to carry it. Sadly it's OOP at the moment. Pity, because it's better than the one in the TSR.2 kit, which has two trench-like panel lines running around it. Both moldings need a hole drilling in their nose for the ram-air turbine intake.

He also has a new US Mk.7 : https://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/military-products/military-aircraft-conversions/1-72-scale/freightdog-models/freightdog-1-72-mark-7-nuclear-bomb-for-us-1950s-types.html

He also does a Luft '46 'Small Uranium Bomb'. Obviously this is outside the Cold War timeframe as it stands, but in Whiff World, you might imagine some state inheriting the German research and/or reserchers: https://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/military-products/military-aircraft-conversions/1-72-scale/freightdog-models/freightdog-1-72-german-small-uranium-bomb-luft46.html


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Navaho : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/navaho/navaho.htm

Mace : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/mace/mace.htm

Buran (the cruise missile, not the space vehicle) : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Buran/Buran.htm

BOMARC : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/bomarc/bomarc.htm

Bell BOMI/ROBO space bomber : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Bomi/bomi.html

Davy Crocket (in 1/35th - go on: do a British Army one on a Landrover... :wacko:) : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Davy/davy.htm

Douglas Model 1186c : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Davy/davy.htm





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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2018, 05:28:06 am »
Belcher Bits (in Canada) has a 1/72nd scale British Nuclear Weapons set which includes:

Blue Danube
Yellow Sun
Red Beard
WE.177A (i.e. short)
WE.177B or -C (long)

http://www.belcherbits.com/ordertext.htm

This pretty much covers the range for British nuclear 'bomb shapes'.

The history's a bit confusing because 'bomb shapes' and 'physics packages' sometimes different code-names and could be combined in different ways. For instance:

Blude Danube had a Blue Danube bomb shape containing a Hurricane physics package
Violet Club had a Blue Danube bomb shape containing a Green Grass physics package (and a LOT of empty space)
Yellow Sun Mk.1 had a Yellow Sun bomb shape containing a Green Grass physics package
Yellow Sun Mk.II had a Yellow Sun bomb shape contained a Red Snow physics package (and a LOT of empty space) which was itself an adapted US Mk.28.

This site shows pics of the bomb shapes, but much of the info in it is wrong, at least according to the next site: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Uk/UKArsenalDev.html

Brian Burnell's site has loads of info on UK nuclear weapons info: http://www.nuclear-weapons.info/o.htm
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2018, 05:51:18 am »
Red Beard also comes with Airfix TSR.2...

Well that answers that question.  I was wondering what it was.
Would, oh lets say a Gladiator, be able to carry one?
 :angel:

Nah, but a Stringbag could carry anything.... :wacko:
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2018, 06:04:48 am »

Navaho : http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/navaho/navaho.htm


I have one of them!  ;D

It's an amazing looking beast, but it'd need a scratchbuilt launcher really.
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2018, 06:15:43 am »
Red Beard also comes with Airfix TSR.2...

Well that answers that question.  I was wondering what it was.
Would, oh lets say a Gladiator, be able to carry one?
 :angel:

Nah, but a Stringbag could carry anything.... :wacko:

Red Beard weight: 1750lb
18" Torpedo weight: about 15000-1600lb depending on the version

So yeah, A stringbag could probably carry a Red Beard. It could certainly carry a WE.177 (600lb - 900lb depending on the version)
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2018, 06:43:25 am »
Red Beard also comes with Airfix TSR.2...

Well that answers that question.  I was wondering what it was.
Would, oh lets say a Gladiator, be able to carry one?
 :angel:

Nah, but a Stringbag could carry anything.... :wacko:

Red Beard weight: 1750lb
18" Torpedo weight: about 15000-1600lb depending on the version

So yeah, A stringbag could probably carry a Red Beard. It could certainly carry a WE.177 (600lb - 900lb depending on the version)


And the opposition would be laughing so much at the incongruity they wouldn't even bother to shoot it down!  ;D

Mind you, quite the crew would get out of the way fast enough is open to question...........
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2018, 08:49:13 am »
If the Westland Wasp could theoretically carry a WE.177 as a nuclear depth charge (very much a marginal situation) , perhaps a Stringbag with a strong following wind could too.....but they'd need to hoist a spnnaker to increase top speed to clear ground zero.
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2018, 10:54:35 am »

If the Westland Wasp could theoretically carry a WE.177 as a nuclear depth charge (very much a marginal situation) , perhaps a Stringbag with a strong following wind could too.....but they'd need to hoist a spnnaker to increase top speed to clear ground zero.


And row like crazy as well!  :o
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2018, 11:41:19 am »
Who'll be the first to model that long forgotten experimental weapon the Chartreuse Merkin?
Or was the cover-up so successful that no info has ever emerged?
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2018, 01:47:15 pm »

Who'll be the first to model that long forgotten experimental weapon the Chartreuse Merkin?
Or was the cover-up so successful that no info has ever emerged?
 ;D


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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2018, 07:03:35 pm »
Who'll be the first to model that long forgotten experimental weapon the Chartreuse Merkin?
Or was the cover-up so successful that no info has ever emerged?
 ;D

There were no failures in that Programme, Citizen.

In fact, that Programme does not exist.

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2018, 08:39:40 pm »
It occurs to me that the RAF were talking about mounting a pair of Douglas Genies on the Lightning at around that time.

Now I also have a J model Scorpion and it includes two Genies in the kit........

I wonder how many AA missiles a B(I)8 Canberra could lift, especially if it had lengthened PR9 wings and larger engines? Hmmmmm......
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2018, 02:36:28 am »

If the Westland Wasp could theoretically carry a WE.177 as a nuclear depth charge (very much a marginal situation) , perhaps a Stringbag with a strong following wind could too.....but they'd need to hoist a spnnaker to increase top speed to clear ground zero.


And row like crazy as well!  :o

What if the Stringbag's spinnaker was foil lined and acted like a solar sail, surfing* the nuclear flash to stay ahead of the shock wave?
Or something.

For this GB I might have to resurrect the Soviet ramjet powered nuclear tipped air launched cruise missile I started building for the last Cold War GB's Myasichev M7 Lebed.
It's partially built but that's OK, I know one of the moderators...  ;)

How about air launched Bloodhounds?  Make the wings long enough and you could sling six on a Canberra.  I had thought of doing this with a B36 (AKA the Flying Flakship) but the cost would be prohibitive unless I learn to mould.

*OK, not surfing but sailing.  But "surfing the nuclear flash"  sounds much gnarlier dude.

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