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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #150 on: March 16, 2018, 08:19:00 am »
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #151 on: March 16, 2018, 10:18:33 am »
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #152 on: March 19, 2018, 07:04:38 am »
Fundamental entry question: would a model be eligible for the GB that is rooted (project-wise) in the mid-Eighties, but would enter hardware stage and testing after the breakdown of the Soviet Union (probably early Nineties)?

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #153 on: March 19, 2018, 07:29:18 am »
Fundamental entry question: would a model be eligible for the GB that is rooted (project-wise) in the mid-Eighties, but would enter hardware stage and testing after the breakdown of the Soviet Union (probably early Nineties)?

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #154 on: March 20, 2018, 06:42:59 am »
Thank you very much. If it is not eligible, the project will be postponed for a "normal" build. But it has been on my list for a long time, and GBs are always a good motivation to tackle the more complex builds...  ;)

In the real world, the project behind it had been conceived in 1984 in the Western hemisphere and presented to officials as a private venture in 1986 - with no hardware ever rolled out. However, I'd like to spin the idea further, add some international partners, and, realistically, a prototype might not have appeared before 1990. The political development more or less outran the project, though.

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #155 on: March 20, 2018, 06:55:15 am »
Thank you very much. If it is not eligible, the project will be postponed for a "normal" build. But it has been on my list for a long time, and GBs are always a good motivation to tackle the more complex builds...  ;)

In the real world, the project behind it had been conceived in 1984 in the Western hemisphere and presented to officials as a private venture in 1986 - with no hardware ever rolled out. However, I'd like to spin the idea further, add some international partners, and, realistically, a prototype might not have appeared before 1990. The political development more or less outran the project, though.

Sorry, but we've decided that, on the timeline you propose, this one is NOT eligible for the GB. To be eligible, it must have at least reached prototype form during the Cold War period. Of course, you could always change history a bit to have the project start earlier or proceed faster, but that's your call.
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #156 on: March 20, 2018, 07:36:06 am »
Thank you very much for the clarification - and no problem, it will just rest a bit longer on the ideas list...  ;)

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« Reply #157 on: March 20, 2018, 07:48:01 am »
You realise we are all trying to work out what it is ?  :rolleyes:
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #158 on: March 20, 2018, 08:02:32 am »
That's the plan, and the reason why I kept input so vague.  ;D

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #159 on: March 25, 2018, 06:57:09 am »
Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #160 on: March 25, 2018, 08:16:18 am »

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #161 on: March 25, 2018, 11:28:57 am »

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #162 on: March 25, 2018, 11:39:56 am »
Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?

Did I not mention that I have acquired a pair of Red Top missiles from Freightdog? He's a very nice chap, that Colin!  ;) ;D

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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #163 on: March 25, 2018, 01:24:00 pm »

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.


They could surely have made those mods to the SR53 as well though?
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Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
« Reply #164 on: March 25, 2018, 02:07:31 pm »

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.


They could surely have made those mods to the SR53 as well though?

Oh sure, from a modelling point of view it doesn't matter: I was just responding to the idea that it was as simple as having 'common wiring'.
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