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GROUP BUILDS => The Cold War G.B. 2018 => Topic started by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2018, 02:10:11 am

Title: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2018, 02:10:11 am
As it says lads, the place to chat about the GB either generally or specifically
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Nils on February 01, 2018, 07:11:34 am
hmm, cold war GB ey?
i think i know just the thing, ive got a TS-11 Iskra in the stash that i have no idea what to do with, i think it would look good in GDR markings  :mellow:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 01, 2018, 07:35:20 am
I might use the occasion and tackle one of the long-postponed kitbash projects from the idea list, a mixed powerplant Soviet escort fighter from the late Forties.  :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 01, 2018, 11:05:26 am
I have several things I could build for this, more Project Cancelled than whiff for most of the ideas I have, only one problem at the moment, not been doing any modelling for weeks, in fact since Xmas  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 01, 2018, 08:11:13 pm
I have a whole heap of non GB related stuff I want to get into but I will still be entering at least one build.
Prolly (as it says Cold War on the box) based on this.
(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/sh72015reviewgp_box.jpg)


Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 02, 2018, 01:19:42 am
hmm, cold war GB ey?
i think i know just the thing, ive got a TS-11 Iskra in the stash that i have no idea what to do with, i think it would look good in GDR markings  :mellow:

Is that the Polish tooling with a full engine and the option of a single-seat version? If so, then give yourself plenty of time, exert plenty of patience, buy an extra tube of filler and trade your swear-box for a larger version...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on February 02, 2018, 06:23:56 am
Hmm, too many ideas at the moment, Vigilante, F-16 alternatives, Buccaneer alternatives, all sorts of Canberra ideas.  I'll probably have a few more yet!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 02, 2018, 11:45:54 pm
I have a whole heap of non GB related stuff I want to get into but I will still be entering at least one build.
Prolly (as it says Cold War on the box) based on this.
(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/sh72015reviewgp_box.jpg)




Pulled this out for a captains at it and had to move an Airfix DH Heron to get at it.  This got me thinking about the Heron in the Pembroke's markings.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 03, 2018, 12:00:41 am

Pulled this out for a captains at it and had to move an Airfix DH Heron to get at it.  This got me thinking about the Heron in the Pembroke's markings.


IIRC there really were a few Heron's painted like that, the two that ended up on the Queen's Flight were that scheme before they got the red scheme, and there may have been others.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 03, 2018, 10:35:03 am
Put some of those Attack Squadron camera sets inside the Pembroke or the Heron and have it operating out of Berlin-Gatow on 'airways navigation flights'.... :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 03, 2018, 12:22:00 pm

Put some of those Attack Squadron camera sets inside the Pembroke or the Heron and have it operating out of Berlin-Gatow on 'airways navigation flights'.... :wacko:


Funny you should say that, my Mum had a pic of one of Dad's Yorks on the ramp at Gatow some time in the early 50s, and the red centre spot of the roundel was quite clearly hinged open and a ruddy great camera was pointing down from it.................

Dad told me it was '.....a trick of the light boy.....' Yeah, right!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 03, 2018, 12:43:10 pm
"Camera lens? Pish - it's just an extra-bright landing light. After all, you wouldn't want us to get 'lost' around here, would you Tovarich?"
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 04, 2018, 12:24:01 am

Pulled this out for a captains at it and had to move an Airfix DH Heron to get at it.  This got me thinking about the Heron in the Pembroke's markings.


IIRC there really were a few Heron's painted like that, the two that ended up on the Queen's Flight were that scheme before they got the red scheme, and there may have been others.

Yes, I quickly realised that following some googling.

Put some of those Attack Squadron camera sets inside the Pembroke or the Heron and have it operating out of Berlin-Gatow on 'airways navigation flights'.... :wacko:

According to the write up on the Pembroke instructions that is exactly what was going on during their regular flights in and out of Berlin.


<later>
I just remembered what I had planned to build for this one.  It'll be an early cold war RAF prop driven interceptor with massive RATO packs to get it quickly to height and it will be armed with a pair of Firestreaks.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 04, 2018, 05:37:41 am

Put some of those Attack Squadron camera sets inside the Pembroke or the Heron and have it operating out of Berlin-Gatow on 'airways navigation flights'.... :wacko:

According to the write up on the Pembroke instructions that is exactly what was going on during their regular flights in and out of Berlin.


Beat me to it  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: TallEng on February 04, 2018, 02:46:15 pm

Put some of those Attack Squadron camera sets inside the Pembroke or the Heron and have it operating out of Berlin-Gatow on 'airways navigation flights'.... :wacko:

According to the write up on the Pembroke instructions that is exactly what was going on during their regular flights in and out of Berlin.


Beat me to it  ;)

I can recommend a book about that ;D

Looking down the Corridors

https://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwj3iNSKqo3ZAhUVicgKHZfiA0MYABABGgJxdQ&sig=AOD64_31hV3x6v4c-psjDqgJ2GHQO-yaaw&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwi39s6Kqo3ZAhUSbK0KHRYICPoQqCsIBA&adurl=

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 04, 2018, 04:08:47 pm

I can recommend a book about that ;D

Looking down the Corridors

https://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwj3iNSKqo3ZAhUVicgKHZfiA0MYABABGgJxdQ&sig=AOD64_31hV3x6v4c-psjDqgJ2GHQO-yaaw&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwi39s6Kqo3ZAhUSbK0KHRYICPoQqCsIBA&adurl=


Oooh yes, I must get a copy of that. I hope it mentions Dad's Yorks in there.  ;D


[Later] I did just that, found a paperback one on Amazon at £13 or so, but the price of the hardbacks is ridiculous, well over £200!  :o
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 04, 2018, 09:35:54 pm
This means that I can get round to building a Mach2 AW Argosy. It's not a bad kit and it does have a lot of potential once all the parts are cleaned up. I'm thinking of a pair of Rolls-Royce Tyne engines or jets or both.
I haven't ruled out a gunship but something maritime.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on February 04, 2018, 10:40:28 pm
Love to see how you'd get an Argosy to do Mach 2! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 05, 2018, 01:25:04 am
Love to see how you'd get an Argosy to do Mach 2! ;) ;) ;)

Naughty boy,  ;D ;D ;D ;D wouldn't guess you had a birthday recently would we ?  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on February 05, 2018, 02:36:44 am
Couldn't help myself!!! :angel:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 06, 2018, 04:43:26 am
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Phanberra01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Phanberra01.jpg.html)

What about something like this?

In the case of turboprop, which engine could it be?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 06, 2018, 06:06:58 am
Love to see how you'd get an Argosy to do Mach 2! ;) ;) ;)
Sounds like a challenge :banghead:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 06, 2018, 06:11:10 am
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Phanberra01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Phanberra01.jpg.html)

What about something like this?

In the case of turboprop, which engine could it be?
Rolls-Royce Tynes
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on February 06, 2018, 06:29:41 am
Makes me wonder, EE had several attempts at designing a Canberra fighter, but I've never seen one from Martin.  Hmmm....
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 06, 2018, 06:44:26 am
Makes me wonder, EE had several attempts at designing a Canberra fighter, but I've never seen one from Martin.  Hmmm....
I think I gave him a pair of Rolls-Royce Tyne engines from the Revell Dassault Breguet Br1150 Atlantic kit.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: kitnut617 on February 06, 2018, 06:45:12 am
Makes me wonder, EE had several attempts at designing a Canberra fighter, but I've never seen one from Martin.  Hmmm....

I don't think the USAF would have needed to Simon, about the time the P.12 was being proposed, they had F-102's with the F-106 coming on line. Plus there was the F-101, F-104 --------
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: rickshaw on February 06, 2018, 06:45:19 pm
Rolls-Royce Tynes

Tynes are HUGE compared to the Canberra wing.  I found that out when I made my Canberra Rudra Maritime Recce aircraf (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,35791.msg572478.html#msg572478)t:

(https://imageshack.com/i/b91001898tj)

I'd recommend Darts or something similar if we are talking British turboprops.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: rickshaw on February 06, 2018, 06:56:55 pm
Makes me wonder, EE had several attempts at designing a Canberra fighter, but I've never seen one from Martin.  Hmmm....

There was the F-114 Dragon (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44119.msg777901.html#msg777901)...

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/IHQG5T.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 06, 2018, 10:45:54 pm

There was the F-114 Dragon (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44119.msg777901.html#msg777901)...

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/IHQG5T.jpg)


That triggered of my own thinking for this GB Brian, thanks for the inspiration.  :thumbsup:

I doubt the RAF would have used such an OTT decal on the side though.  ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 07, 2018, 12:36:20 am
T-56 from the Hasegawa Lockheed P-3 Orion kit might work on the Canberra.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on February 07, 2018, 12:06:38 pm
I like the Dragon. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: rickshaw on February 07, 2018, 05:30:34 pm
I like the Dragon. :thumbsup:

Thank'ee kind sir.  It was a slow model, long in the making which came out well.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 09, 2018, 10:08:01 am
Can't make up my mind what if anything I will build. I probably will build an RAF Galaxy with RB211's which Kit is giving me after a discussion and I am tempted to build a Vickers Valiant PR.3 which is basically a B.2 with a Reconnaissance pack and longer wings. A Canberra P,12 has also been thought of as is one of the Freightdog VC.10 Bomber/Tanker conversions too. Way too many options.....

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 09, 2018, 10:39:47 am
I was thinking of using the S+ M Models resin 1/144 AWACS sets on my small collection of airliners/cargo aircraft.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 16, 2018, 04:56:26 pm
Just a reminder.
This GB starts in eleven days so anyone wanting to influence the result of the final voting should be making a start about now with their social media campaigning.
If you are not sure how to go about this then just drop Weaver a pm and he'll take you through it.  Don't give him any money though.  I handle that side of things.
Don't say anything to Chris as we are deliberately keeping him out of the loop so he has plausible deniability.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 17, 2018, 03:04:44 am
The problem with that statement is that a very, very tiny part of me believes you  :angel: ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 17, 2018, 08:47:33 am
I was thinking of using the S+ M Models resin 1/144 AWACS sets on my small collection of airliners/cargo aircraft.

We would have to see the results though

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 18, 2018, 08:39:29 pm
Can't make up my mind what if anything I will build. I probably will build an RAF Galaxy with RB211's which Kit is giving me after a discussion and I am tempted to build a Vickers Valiant PR.3 which is basically a B.2 with a Reconnaissance pack and linger wings. A Canberra P,12 has also been thought of as is one of the Freightdog VC.10 Bomber/Tanker conversions too. Way too many options.....

Gondor
What are linger wings?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 18, 2018, 08:49:49 pm
It's a chance to redeem myself. A twin engined Shackleton is a good start.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Knightflyer on February 19, 2018, 12:49:44 am
Can't make up my mind what if anything I will build. I probably will build an RAF Galaxy with RB211's which Kit is giving me after a discussion and I am tempted to build a Vickers Valiant PR.3 which is basically a B.2 with a Reconnaissance pack and linger wings. A Canberra P,12 has also been thought of as is one of the Freightdog VC.10 Bomber/Tanker conversions too. Way too many options.....

Gondor
What are linger wings?

longer (a simple typing mistook methinks) but thinking about it, if it meant the aircraft could fly (cruise? :unsure:) like a glider that would allow it to "linger" over it's target?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Old Wombat on February 19, 2018, 06:19:07 am
Would they be linger-longer wings or longer-linger wings, though? :unsure:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Knightflyer on February 19, 2018, 06:26:53 am
Would they be linger-longer wings or longer-linger wings, though? :unsure:

It's obvious....ones a verb, the other's a noun!  :wacko:

So you linger-longer on your longer-linger wings  :wacko: ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 19, 2018, 09:21:14 am

So you linger-longer on your longer-linger wings  :wacko: ;D


Precisely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 19, 2018, 10:14:21 am

What are linger wings?


A typo that I have now corrected

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Knightflyer on February 19, 2018, 10:40:20 am

What are linger wings?


A typo that I have now corrected

Gondor

Ahhhh....but we've not forgotten  :wacko:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: tigercat on February 19, 2018, 11:50:43 am
Might do something around Project Backfire, the BIS and the Megaroc...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 19, 2018, 12:29:02 pm

What are linger wings?


A typo that I have now corrected

Gondor

Ahhhh....but we've not forgotten  :wacko:

So the memory will linger too?

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: tigercat on February 19, 2018, 12:42:55 pm
are you saying it kinda lingers?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Knightflyer on February 19, 2018, 01:32:53 pm

What are linger wings?


A typo that I have now corrected

Gondor

Ahhhh....but we've not forgotten  :wacko:

So the memory will linger too?

Gondor

So based on that, the thought for the day must be :- we shall not forget,  memory has long wings  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 19, 2018, 06:52:25 pm
Just a reminder.
This GB starts in eleven days so anyone wanting to influence the result of the final voting should be making a start about now with their social media campaigning.
If you are not sure how to go about this then just drop Weaver a pm and he'll take you through it.  Don't give him any money though.  I handle that side of things.
Don't say anything to Chris as we are deliberately keeping him out of the loop so he has plausible deniability.

Free Twitter sock-puppet account with every subscriber to the botnet...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on February 19, 2018, 07:48:20 pm
Just a reminder.
This GB starts in eleven days so anyone wanting to influence the result of the final voting should be making a start about now with their social media campaigning.
If you are not sure how to go about this then just drop Weaver a pm and he'll take you through it.  Don't give him any money though.  I handle that side of things.
Don't say anything to Chris as we are deliberately keeping him out of the loop so he has plausible deniability.

Free Twitter sock-puppet account with every subscriber to the botnet...
Nah a free Airfix starter kit in a white box and you have to guess what's inside.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 20, 2018, 06:03:35 am
Just a reminder.
This GB starts in eleven days so anyone wanting to influence the result of the final voting should be making a start about now with their social media campaigning.
If you are not sure how to go about this then just drop Weaver a pm and he'll take you through it.  Don't give him any money though.  I handle that side of things.
Don't say anything to Chris as we are deliberately keeping him out of the loop so he has plausible deniability.

Free Twitter sock-puppet account with every subscriber to the botnet...
Nah a free Airfix starter kit in a white box and you have to guess what's inside.

I'll e-mail it to you...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 02:41:22 pm
Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 23, 2018, 01:19:27 am
Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.

I shall consult H, but initial feeling is no, those were anything but "cold" wars.


Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 23, 2018, 01:41:54 am

I shall consult H, but initial feeling is no, those were anything but "cold" wars.


I just had an image of to refrigerators fighting pass through my head  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 23, 2018, 02:18:21 am
https://youtu.be/fXeHSco_aoM   ;D

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: kitbasher on February 23, 2018, 03:04:38 am
Is a builds (i.e. 'works in progress' thread going to be set up?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 23, 2018, 03:21:04 am
Is a builds (i.e. 'works in progress' thread going to be set up?

The usual 'Finished Builds' thread has been set up but it's locked until the GB starts.

Not sure what you mean by a 'works in progress' thread?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: rickshaw on February 23, 2018, 03:28:24 am
Is a builds (i.e. 'works in progress' thread going to be set up?

Usually each user establishes a single thread for each build.  How detailed their build is, is up to them but in my case, usually my first build is very detailed.  Later ones not so.   Others just do what they like.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: kitbasher on February 23, 2018, 03:53:40 am
Thanks chaps.  Some GBs have threads for builds where each entrant posts progress.  Other GBs have them for profiles, others split into air/land/sea.  Others don't.

Was wondering what the set up for this GB was going to be beyond the four extant threads, that's all.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 23, 2018, 04:20:07 am
Thanks chaps.  Some GBs have threads for builds where each entrant posts progress.  Other GBs have them for profiles, others split into air/land/sea.  Others don't.

Was wondering what the set up for this GB was going to be beyond the four extant threads, that's all.

As far as I know, it'll be the same as all our other GBs, i.e. you start your own thread on the sub-board by way of announcing that you're entering. Good form is to start with a pic of the unassembled kit(s) and parts to show that you're starting from scratch.

You can start a thread on the board early by the way: just don't do any actual building before the start date.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: kitbasher on February 23, 2018, 06:14:29 am
Yes, of course.  Bri@nf@r+ on my part.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 23, 2018, 06:30:24 am
Yup it's exactly the same as a normal build, you simply start the thread and that kicks things off. The difference with the "lead" threads is that they are "stuck" so as not to disappear down the page.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 24, 2018, 05:23:57 am
Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.

I shall consult H, but initial feeling is no, those were anything but "cold" wars.




The argument discussion is still going on.  Don't forget I am 11 hours ahead here so I have to wait that long before Weaver reads my messages.
On the other hand I get to see his replies before he writes them... :o

I am confident we are close to a settlement...

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Old Wombat on February 24, 2018, 05:57:30 am
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 24, 2018, 06:00:45 am
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 24, 2018, 09:02:06 am
Trust me to ask a difficult question.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on February 24, 2018, 09:19:32 am
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.

Well Hurry Up!!! There is less than a week before the start!!

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 25, 2018, 06:03:40 am

I am confident we are close to a settlement...

Yup having been party to the discussion, purely with a "watching" brief  I think our Honourable Mods are there, just a matter of the final words.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: tigercat on February 25, 2018, 06:45:42 am
I was hoping this was a typo and we'd be having a Cod War GB

And I could do aircraft from the Agriculture , Fisheries and Food special services squadron , Grimsby division.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: loupgarou on February 25, 2018, 07:17:13 am
I was hoping this was a typo and we'd be having a Cod War GB

And I could do aircraft from the Agriculture , Fisheries and Food special services squadron , Grimsby division.

Wasn't the Cod War a real one between Iceland and the rest of the world?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: tigercat on February 25, 2018, 07:21:34 am
Yup , turns out HMS Eastbourne was actually damaged beyond economical repair as a consequence .
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 26, 2018, 03:03:23 am
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.

Well Hurry Up!!! There is less than a week before the start!!

Gondor

Chill dude.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 26, 2018, 04:15:40 am
Okay, the mods have reached a decision, or rather we've agreed to differ and not kill each other (much in the spirit of the Cold War!)

Apologies for the delay: partly time zones and partly the fact that I was away from home much of Sunday.

Rule 3 has been amended to read as follows:

3. You can choose to depict any real nation or alliance of nations which existed during the real Cold War (including neutral countries that were affected by it but not part of either bloc). Alternatively, you can choose to depict any fictional nation/alliance your imagination can come up with, as long as it falls within the broad theme of a global capitalist vs communist confrontation that lasts from the end of WWII until the early 1990s in which nuclear-armed states seek to compete with each other but avoid direct combat that may lead to nuclear escalation. Your scenario may therefore involve a 'hot war' (i.e. one where actual lethal combat takes place) so long as a) the war is a 'proxy war' of limited scope that fits within the theme of the super-power stand-off, and b) if it involves a nuclear-armed state in direct combat, then it cannot involve an opposing nuclear armed state in direct combat.

By way of example, you can have American forces involved in a shooting war against Soviet proxies (North Vietnam or North Korea (note that China didn't have nukes in 1950)) or Soviet forces involved in a shooting war against NATO proxies (Afghanistan), but you can't have a shooting war in which NATO and WarPac forces are engaged with each other.

This is in answer to Kit's question below. In short, you can have matériel that's involved in a localized 'hot war' as long as it's relevant to the Cold War and your alternate history doesn't have NATO and WarPac forces in direct combat with each other (because that would be a WWIII GB, which is something else entirely).

Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2018, 04:56:32 am
Phew, thanks. It looks like my plan is a goer then.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2018, 05:11:05 am
Is Rule 11 the new Rule 6?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Old Wombat on February 27, 2018, 03:12:53 am
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 27, 2018, 03:28:27 am
I resemble that remark.


Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 27, 2018, 03:29:13 am
Is Rule 11 the new Rule 6?

There is no Rule 6. If you need further clarification, please re-read this message. Quietly.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 27, 2018, 03:30:37 am
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:

Request to the site mods: can we have one of those smileys with it's lips zipped shut please?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 27, 2018, 06:44:24 am
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:

Request to the site mods: can we have one of those smileys with it's lips zipped shut please?

What like this one ?  :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 27, 2018, 05:01:35 pm
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:

Request to the site mods: can we have one of those smileys with it's lips zipped shut please?

What like this one ?  :-X :-X :-X :-X

Yeah, just like that. Ahem. It's not my fault, my first ever pair of glasses are still eight days away... :rolleyes: (that was 'rolleyes' right?)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on February 28, 2018, 01:55:18 am
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:

Request to the site mods: can we have one of those smileys with it's lips zipped shut please?

What like this one ?  :-X :-X :-X :-X

Yeah, just like that. Ahem. It's not my fault, my first ever pair of glasses are still eight days away... :rolleyes: (that was 'rolleyes' right?)

Welcome to the club foureyes.
🤓
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Old Wombat on February 28, 2018, 02:09:11 am
 :-X - wasn't there yesterday ... I don't think so, anyway ... I'm kinda embarrassed, now ... 'coz I can't actually remember if it was or wasn't ... Scary! :blink:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on February 28, 2018, 03:52:07 am
Well written Rule 3, very sensible & very clear! :thumbsup:

Are you sure Fred was involved? :unsure:

Request to the site mods: can we have one of those smileys with it's lips zipped shut please?

What like this one ?  :-X :-X :-X :-X

Yeah, just like that. Ahem. It's not my fault, my first ever pair of glasses are still eight days away... :rolleyes: (that was 'rolleyes' right?)

Welcome to the club foureyes.
🤓

I was going to suggest opening a night-life venue called Club Foureyes, with membership limited to spectacle wearers, but then it struck me that it might attract all the least attractive people, on the principle that it was the place they were most likely to get lucky...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on February 28, 2018, 06:15:54 am
Been wearing specs since I was 7, and boy do you then find out how cruel kids can be  :-\

People with "normal" eyesight who look through my my specs suffer a slight hallucinogenic experience I'm told because the lens are that thick  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 01, 2018, 01:59:27 am
I got my first pair at about that age.
I lost count of how many pairs I broke over the years.
People say to me "haven't you ever thought about contact lenses?" and the answer is no.
I've been wearing glasses for 43 years and i'm used to it.  Plus I don't like the thought of putting things in my eyes.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on March 01, 2018, 02:53:44 am
Been wearing specs since I was 7, and boy do you then find out how cruel kids can be  :-\

People with "normal" eyesight who look through my my specs suffer a slight hallucinogenic experience I'm told because the lens are that thick  ;)

Glad to say that's changed Chris, my two have had glasses since they were 4.  Combination of more kids are given them at a younger age, repairs are mostly free (lost track of how many trips we've had to Boots) so no sticking plasters and a good range of frames to choose in kid friendly schemes.  One of them had a patch for a while, we were nervous to what other kids might say or do but they thought they were cool as they had patterns on. :lol:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 01, 2018, 06:05:22 am
I got my first pair at about that age.
I lost count of how many pairs I broke over the years.
People say to me "haven't you ever thought about contact lenses?" and the answer is no.
I've been wearing glasses for 43 years and i'm used to it.  Plus I don't like the thought of putting things in my eyes.

Same here re contacts - I don't like the idea of things in my eye, plus the unbelievable amount of buggering about I've seen contact wearers go through with them puts me right off.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 01, 2018, 06:27:59 am
Been wearing specs since I was 7, and boy do you then find out how cruel kids can be  :-\

People with "normal" eyesight who look through my my specs suffer a slight hallucinogenic experience I'm told because the lens are that thick  ;)

Glad to say that's changed Chris, my two have had glasses since they were 4. 

Really glad to hear that mate  :thumbsup:


Same here re contacts - I don't like the idea of things in my eye, plus the unbelievable amount of buggering about I've seen contact wearers go through with them puts me right off.

Same here. An optician once told me, admittedly a fair while ago that 90% of men who try contacts give up, whereas 95% of women persevere. Read into that what you will.

My ex had some of the first "soft" contacts, which had to be sterilised every night. They had there only mini steriliser, took about 30 mins, which was fine unless you were on a caravan site where the only plugs were in the men's toilets/shower block. Every night for 2 weeks you'd find me in there holding the two wires of the steriliser into the two pin shaver socket  :banghead: Young love is  such a wonderfull thing  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 01, 2018, 06:30:22 am
No idea what to build for this ? Not much in the stash that fits into the time frame. I did find a Martin Mauler this morning and thought "French ?".

I may wait until Southern Expo in a couple of weeks and look around.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on March 01, 2018, 07:33:16 am
Vietnam?  US Navy, USAF or South Vietnamese?  Thai markings maybe with a bit more involvement?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rheged on March 01, 2018, 07:43:06 am
Vietnam?  US Navy, USAF or South Vietnamese?  Thai markings maybe with a bit more involvement?

...or even Cambodian?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: nighthunter on March 01, 2018, 08:16:20 am
Sincere and honest query for the most honourable Mods, I have pre-existing MSPaint profiles of custom "blank" kitbashes, can I repaint them for this GB?

They were originally for an Alternate Universe country, similar to NationStates, but my plan is to make them "real world" whiffs.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 01, 2018, 05:00:17 pm
Sincere and honest query for the most honourable Mods, I have pre-existing MSPaint profiles of custom "blank" kitbashes, can I repaint them for this GB?

They were originally for an Alternate Universe country, similar to NationStates, but my plan is to make them "real world" whiffs.

A discussion is underway.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 01, 2018, 05:06:26 pm
No idea what to build for this ? Not much in the stash that fits into the time frame. I did find a Martin Mauler this morning and thought "French ?".

I may wait until Southern Expo in a couple of weeks and look around.

I take it most of your stash is WWII? Why not have a WWII aircraft re-purposed for COIN work in some grubby little war that's kept on the boil by both sides of the Cold War for their own agendas? There were plenty of real-world examples: Cavalier Mustangs, Thunderbolts, Sea Furys, Invaders... anything that was in production at the end and left a lot of lightly used airframes going spare. All you need is the markings (any number of aftermarket sheets available) and some modern weapons. I'm sure we can help you out with both of those things too...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: nighthunter on March 01, 2018, 07:16:30 pm
Sincere and honest query for the most honourable Mods, I have pre-existing MSPaint profiles of custom "blank" kitbashes, can I repaint them for this GB?

They were originally for an Alternate Universe country, similar to NationStates, but my plan is to make them "real world" whiffs.

A discussion is underway.  :thumbsup:
Thanks Weaver
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: McColm on March 01, 2018, 08:18:29 pm
I'm attempting to build a 1/72 VC 10 using the Heller Boeing E-3A/C with the vacform engines and T-tail. I'll use the Sentry AEW rotodome in the build.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 02, 2018, 02:33:06 am
No idea what to build for this ? Not much in the stash that fits into the time frame. I did find a Martin Mauler this morning and thought "French ?".

I may wait until Southern Expo in a couple of weeks and look around.

Vietnam?  US Navy, USAF or South Vietnamese?  Thai markings maybe with a bit more involvement?

...or even Cambodian?

Anything but US in Vietnam (done to death).  How about Royal Lao Air Force.  They used the Discworld Roundels.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Roundel_of_Royal_Lao_Air_Force.svg/768px-Roundel_of_Royal_Lao_Air_Force.svg.png)
I'll print you a set if you want.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Mossie on March 02, 2018, 03:21:56 am
Nah, subtly subversive (there's a Cold War theme all of it's own).  Looks like a Skyraider, dressed like a Skyraider but isn't a Skyraider, to mess with weak minds....
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 02, 2018, 04:15:33 am
Anything but US in Vietnam (done to death).  How about Royal Lao Air Force.  They used the Discworld Roundels.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Roundel_of_Royal_Lao_Air_Force.svg/768px-Roundel_of_Royal_Lao_Air_Force.svg.png)
I'll print you a set if you want.

Technically speaking, aren't those Coneworld roundels rather than Discworld ones?

Coneworld is similar to Discworld except that:

a. it's got more surface area
b. the inhabitants are fitter
c. the inhabitants are more pished off
d. anyone who proposed a karting competition is put on suicide watch immediately

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 02, 2018, 04:17:56 am
Sincere and honest query for the most honourable Mods, I have pre-existing MSPaint profiles of custom "blank" kitbashes, can I repaint them for this GB?

They were originally for an Alternate Universe country, similar to NationStates, but my plan is to make them "real world" whiffs.

The mods have conferred and it's been decided that this IS allowed, as long as you post the blank profiles at the start of your thread as the equivalent of a physical modeller's 'unbuilt kit' photo. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Gondor on March 02, 2018, 06:04:00 am
Nah, subtly subversive (there's a Cold War theme all of it's own).  Looks like a Skyraider, dressed like a Skyraider but isn't a Skyraider, to mess with weak minds....

I've seen a Martin Mauler without the prop cover painted up in SEA scheme. It looked very like a Skyraider.

Gondor
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: nighthunter on March 02, 2018, 06:07:40 am
Sincere and honest query for the most honourable Mods, I have pre-existing MSPaint profiles of custom "blank" kitbashes, can I repaint them for this GB?

They were originally for an Alternate Universe country, similar to NationStates, but my plan is to make them "real world" whiffs.

The mods have conferred and it's been decided that this IS allowed, as long as you post the blank profiles at the start of your thread as the equivalent of a physical modeller's 'unbuilt kit' photo. :thumbsup:
My thanks! I'll endeavour to do that, soon
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 02, 2018, 06:34:49 am
Cheers for the help, advice and ideas lads. I shall take them on-board, but won't make a decision until post Southern in a couple of weeks. I'm busy with other things at the moment and want to finish the stuff that's stalled for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 03, 2018, 03:25:41 am
Which Mauler Kit do you have Chris?
And what is it like please.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 03, 2018, 03:37:44 am
I've the ACE kit mate. Definitely limited run, not to much flash on mine but some of the smaller parts look a little chunky ? Lot of etch, most of which looks way to fiddly for me to use. Can't comment on fit as I've done now't but look at it on the many sprues, another sign of it's limited run background ?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 03, 2018, 03:49:54 am
Early or late?
Please say late with the three torpedos...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 03, 2018, 03:55:41 am
Your'e making me go in my freezing model room deliberately, aren't you ?  ;) Late, with the 3 torpedo's
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 03, 2018, 04:05:37 am
And what do the decals...nah, just kidding.   ;D

Thanks.  I was looking at them on line earlier and wondered what they were like.  They built more than I expected and kept some in service until '53 IIRC.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Pellson on March 03, 2018, 07:50:11 am
Oooooooo... It's quite a treat logging back in after some absence, finding the current GB being right up my alley. So many ideas. So much plastic. So little time...  :-X
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 03, 2018, 08:02:07 am
I've the ACE kit mate. Definitely limited run, not to much flash on mine but some of the smaller parts look a little chunky ? Lot of etch, most of which looks way to fiddly for me to use. Can't comment on fit as I've done now't but look at it on the many sprues, another sign of it's limited run background ?

If the ACE aeroplane kits are anything like their AFV kits then the fit will be 'interesting' but not unbuildable by someone of reasonable skill. I believe Chrisonord has some opinions on the fit of ACE AFV kits which may or may not be postable in full on a family forum...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: The Rat on March 04, 2018, 04:33:45 pm
Okay mods, I would like a ruling on this one. The only parts glued together are the two nose halves and two tail halves, but that's a significant  number of parts for this kit. There are upper and lower wing halves which also have the fuselage centre section, two tailplanes, some engine pod parts, canopy, and a blob of clear plastic masquerading as a nose transparency. Plus the stand, there is no landing gear.

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28661104_10156800851938132_7834335117919219995_n.jpg?oh=14f399a06a1921fa579be5194400f365&oe=5B016E60&_nc_o2e=z9ed55870&efg=eyJhZG1pc3Npb25fY29udHJvbCI6MSwidXBsb2FkZXJfaWQiOiI1NTI5OTMxMzEifQ%3D%3D)

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28576971_10156800852538132_2915768032600920845_n.jpg?oh=6d7b8607381741ff226db28c31eefe76&oe=5B46ADF7&_nc_o2e=z29cfff57&efg=eyJhZG1pc3Npb25fY29udHJvbCI6MSwidXBsb2FkZXJfaWQiOiI1NTI5OTMxMzEifQ%3D%3D)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick on March 05, 2018, 02:02:55 am
Would it be acceptable to enter my AZ SR.53, the one I was fiddling with at Huddersfield?

I've glued the wings to the fuselage and the cockpit has been put together. That's about it.

I didn't realize this build was happening till this weekend!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 05, 2018, 02:08:55 am
Jeepers, that Lincoln Canberra takes me back.

I bought one and my Dad said I shouldn't build it, he said it looked NOTHING like a Canberra.  ;D

I did though.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 05, 2018, 02:18:43 am
Okay mods, I would like a ruling on this one. The only parts glued together are the two nose halves and two tail halves, but that's a significant  number of parts for this kit. There are upper and lower wing halves which also have the fuselage centre section, two tailplanes, some engine pod parts, canopy, and a blob of clear plastic masquerading as a nose transparency. Plus the stand, there is no landing gear.

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28661104_10156800851938132_7834335117919219995_n.jpg?oh=14f399a06a1921fa579be5194400f365&oe=5B016E60&_nc_o2e=z9ed55870&efg=eyJhZG1pc3Npb25fY29udHJvbCI6MSwidXBsb2FkZXJfaWQiOiI1NTI5OTMxMzEifQ%3D%3D)

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28576971_10156800852538132_2915768032600920845_n.jpg?oh=6d7b8607381741ff226db28c31eefe76&oe=5B46ADF7&_nc_o2e=z29cfff57&efg=eyJhZG1pc3Npb25fY29udHJvbCI6MSwidXBsb2FkZXJfaWQiOiI1NTI5OTMxMzEifQ%3D%3D)

I'm tempted to allow this ONLY if you paint the markings inside the raised lines like they intended you to...
 ;D

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 05, 2018, 05:13:37 am
Okay mods, I would like a ruling on this one. The only parts glued together are the two nose halves and two tail halves, but that's a significant  number of parts for this kit. There are upper and lower wing halves which also have the fuselage centre section, two tailplanes, some engine pod parts, canopy, and a blob of clear plastic masquerading as a nose transparency. Plus the stand, there is no landing gear.


We have conferred and we're going to allow this, on the basis that the amount of work you've done vs the amount of work you've got in front of you makes it a relatively small step... ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Ed S on March 05, 2018, 06:10:07 am
Which Mauler Kit do you have Chris?
And what is it like please.

Just for comparison. I have the Siga 1/72 Mauler which I'm building for the Allies '46 GB on BTS. The kit is probably typical of short run. There are some problems with the fit and some of the detail parts are rather crudely molded. But with a little work with a file and sandpaper it actually fits rather well. It also has some pretty good engraved panel lines, not over done. There are two versions of the kit. One is the early prototype and test version and a later operational version. The operational version comes with a weapons spruce that contains bombs, 11.75 in rockets, 5 in rockets, and three torpedoes.

Ed
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: The Rat on March 05, 2018, 08:34:05 am
We have conferred and we're going to allow this, on the basis that the amount of work you've done vs the amount of work you've got in front of you makes it a relatively small step... ;D

Thank you! I think...
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: The Rat on March 05, 2018, 08:38:47 am
I'm tempted to allow this ONLY if you paint the markings inside the raised lines like they intended you to...
 ;D

Might have to, not sure if anyone has ever made decals for what I plan on doing with it!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 05, 2018, 02:58:41 pm
Which Mauler Kit do you have Chris?
And what is it like please.

Just for comparison. I have the Siga 1/72 Mauler which I'm building for the Allies '46 GB on BTS. The kit is probably typical of short run. There are some problems with the fit and some of the detail parts are rather crudely molded. But with a little work with a file and sandpaper it actually fits rather well. It also has some pretty good engraved panel lines, not over done. There are two versions of the kit. One is the early prototype and test version and a later operational version. The operational version comes with a weapons spruce that contains bombs, 11.75 in rockets, 5 in rockets, and three torpedoes.

Ed

Thanks Ed.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 05, 2018, 05:01:32 pm
Would it be acceptable to enter my AZ SR.53, the one I was fiddling with at Huddersfield?

I've glued the wings to the fuselage and the cockpit has been put together. That's about it.

I didn't realize this build was happening till this weekend!

After some discussion we've agreed to allow this to be entered.

Everybody else please note though, that this is right on the limit of the amount of part-startedness we're willing to allow.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: nighthunter on March 09, 2018, 05:55:15 am
Hey Narses, going to open the Finished Builds thread? Lol
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 09, 2018, 06:19:12 am
Oooops, sorry mate. Just done it.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: nighthunter on March 09, 2018, 06:37:08 am
Oooops, sorry mate. Just done it.
No worries, and thank you!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 11, 2018, 07:10:14 am
I'm still pondering what to build for this G.B. as despite it not being my "period" I've missed the last couple so want to build something. So I went deep stash mining yesterday as there is very little on the readily accessible shelves that fits.

Anyway to my surprise I found an Anigrand Martin XB-51. Got me intrigued so I read a few bits on it in a couple of books and thought "Vietnam night intruder" ? Those 8 20mm cannon might come in useful for that. Then I had a look at the kit and thought "do I want that much work for this G.B. ?" It's a typical Anigrand kit of its period. Quite heavy resin casting, some flash and a fair few pour gates. The main thing going against it for this build however is that the fuselage has been moulded in four pieces. I don't blame them as it's over a foot long, but even though they have moulded the join with a tongue and groove it is still going to take a lot of cleaning up. So not for this build, but she has been moved out of deep storage for more contemplation.

I also found a Tamiya Skyray which is much better fit with what I would want to do and the effort I want to put in. Sorry if that offends but I've a lot of other things I want to do in my "normal" periods of interest at the moment. Only downside to this is that I would have to sort some transfers for it, but that's not difficult. I'll have a quick trawl on Hannant's for something suitable. F.A.A. mid/late 60's ?

Favourite however is still an AZ SR 53, if I can get one at next weeks Southern. I even found I have a sheet of Lightning transfers for the squadron markings  :thumbsup: Also sorted out a name for her R.A.F. service. Saunders Roe Robin, on the basis that the Robin is a relatively small, attractive bird that aggressively defends its territory. Ideal for what the real thing was designed for I think  :thumbsup:

So we are getting there, slowly, but I will.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rheged on March 11, 2018, 08:18:59 am

Favourite however is still an AZ SR 53, if I can get one at next weeks Southern. I even found I have a sheet of Lightning transfers for the squadron markings  :thumbsup: Also sorted out a name for her R.A.F. service. Saunders Roe Robin, on the basis that the Robin is a relatively small, attractive bird that aggressively defends its territory. Ideal for what the real thing was designed for I think  :thumbsup:

So we are getting there, slowly, but I will.

The Robin; a  well reasoned  and inspired choice of name.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 11, 2018, 09:05:42 am
I'm still pondering what to build for this G.B. as despite it not being my "period" I've missed the last couple so want to build something. So I went deep stash mining yesterday as there is very little on the readily accessible shelves that fits.

Anyway to my surprise I found an Anigrand Martin XB-51. Got me intrigued so I read a few bits on it in a couple of books and thought "Vietnam night intruder" ? Those 8 20mm cannon might come in useful for that. Then I had a look at the kit and thought "do I want that much work for this G.B. ?" It's a typical Anigrand kit of its period. Quite heavy resin casting, some flash and a fair few pour gates. The main thing going against it for this build however is that the fuselage has been moulded in four pieces. I don't blame them as it's over a foot long, but even though they have moulded the join with a tongue and groove it is still going to take a lot of cleaning up. So not for this build, but she has been moved out of deep storage for more contemplation.

I'm fairly sure someone on here did a profile or two of B-51s in SEA cammo - looked good.

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I also found a Tamiya Skyray which is much better fit with what I would want to do and the effort I want to put in. Sorry if that offends but I've a lot of other things I want to do in my "normal" periods of interest at the moment. Only downside to this is that I would have to sort some transfers for it, but that's not difficult. I'll have a quick trawl on Hannant's for something suitable. F.A.A. mid/late 60's ?

That's a good idea: maybe give it an Avon or Sapphire (no external physical changes necessary AFAIK) for FAA service. The FAA had Sidewinders before the RAF (on Scimitars) so they make sense. The USN and the RN used different rockets: 2.75" and 2" respectively. If you wanted to be really pedantic, you could fit the same pods as seen on Sea Vixens (look like a Matra pod but with three rings of tubes instead of two) and Freightdog make these, but unfortunately they're not on his website at the moment. However, there's a whiffjitsu get-out: the rocket pods in the kit have their frangible nose and tail cones in place to reduce drag, so you could always claim that they have 2" tubes inside them rather than 2.75" tubes!  :thumbsup:

I looked longingly at the Skyray when I was choosing aircraft for my FAA-buys-US scenario, but in the end the Panther-Cougar-Tiger progression made too much sense to ignore. No reason why it couldn't have been otherwise though (the courses of true love and military procurement never do run smooth, as Shakespeare might have said if he'd been an aircraft geek) and I'd love to see one in FAA colours.

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Favourite however is still an AZ SR 53, if I can get one at next weeks Southern. I even found I have a sheet of Lightning transfers for the squadron markings  :thumbsup: Also sorted out a name for her R.A.F. service. Saunders Roe Robin, on the basis that the Robin is a relatively small, attractive bird that aggressively defends its territory. Ideal for what the real thing was designed for I think  :thumbsup:

So we are getting there, slowly, but I will.

'Robin' makes a lot of sense. One of the AZ boxings is a what-if with in-service colours for RAF squadrons 1, 20 and 74 (with 56sqn red tail). Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 11, 2018, 09:28:51 am

I'm fairly sure someone on here did a profile or two of B-51s in SEA cammo - looked good.


That was Logan Hartke's wonderfulness, but his proper artwork has been PB'd.  :banghead:

But Trickyrich quoted it on his build thread of the same aircraft.  :thumbsup:

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/RAAF%20B-51G%20Vietnam%20-%20project/usaf_martin_b_51g_night_intruder%20wt%20modified%20nose_zpsxvvjpile.jpg)

And the build itself is OUTSTANDING!

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/RAAF%20B-51G%20Vietnam%20-%20project/DSCF2837_zpsfru6hfw7.jpg)

The whole build thread is here :-

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,40944.0.html (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,40944.0.html)

Re-reading I found to my amazement that he'd used the same Master PE kit of a 20 mm Vulcan cannon that I'd tried to use on my Monterey. Except that he actually did it and it looks magnificent.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on March 11, 2018, 07:38:39 pm
With my third build since returning to the hobby almost done (another RW...USMC Vietnam A-4E), this may be there perfect excuse to dig out the Academy Hunter and build up a nice little F-99B...recently picked up an Xtradecal F-100 decal sheet that would be just the ticket for a USAF Hunter!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 12, 2018, 02:56:30 am
Did someone say FAA Skyray?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/40054395994_82bd819ec7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/242tfso)Skyray006 (https://flic.kr/p/242tfso) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?action=post;msg=703791;topic=41247.0

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Logan Hartke on March 12, 2018, 06:00:37 am

I'm fairly sure someone on here did a profile or two of B-51s in SEA cammo - looked good.


That was Logan Hartke's wonderfulness, but his proper artwork has been PB'd.  :banghead:

Yeah, once I get back into profiling, I'll reupload the whole lot one of these days, so people can access them again. Just PM me if there's one you need, I still have all of them on my hard drive.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 12, 2018, 07:19:29 am
Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.

Yup all the reviews I've read say the sam ething and if I go down this route I'll be looking to replace them.

As for rocket pods I've got a fair few from when I built models of that period. I'm sure some are from an old Sea Vixen kit.

That RAAF B-51 is magnificent.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick on March 12, 2018, 09:14:19 am
Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.

Yup all the reviews I've read say the sam ething and if I go down this route I'll be looking to replace them.

Let me know if you find a good supply, I'd like to get some myself.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: kitnut617 on March 12, 2018, 09:38:14 am
Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.

Yup all the reviews I've read say the sam ething and if I go down this route I'll be looking to replace them.

Let me know if you find a good supply, I'd like to get some myself.

Colin's (freightdog) Firestreak's have the octagon seeker head (1/72 scale)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 12, 2018, 11:16:29 am
Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.

Yup all the reviews I've read say the sam ething and if I go down this route I'll be looking to replace them.

Let me know if you find a good supply, I'd like to get some myself.

Colin's (freightdog) Firestreak's have the octagon seeker head (1/72 scale)


So does the Airfix Lightning F2A, and the heads are in clear in the kit.

But, the seeker heads are larger in diameter than the missile body, which means you need to file them. That can make them anything BUT octagons sadly.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 12, 2018, 06:49:13 pm
Note, however, that the Firestreak missiles in the kit are more like the inert 'handling shapes' seen on the real aircraft, and don't look much like a real working weapon. In particular, they don't have the eight-sided nose cone of the real things. Good Firestreaks are easy to come by these days.

Yup all the reviews I've read say the sam ething and if I go down this route I'll be looking to replace them.

Let me know if you find a good supply, I'd like to get some myself.

https://www.modelhobbies.co.uk/shop/barracuda-bacee-lightning-f2af6-firestreak-missiles-72215-p-65027.html

https://www.djparkins.com/product.php?productid=17954&cat=283&page=1

https://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/military-products/military-aircraft-conversions/1-72-scale/freightdog-1-72-hawker-p-1130-all-weather-fighter-conversion.html

https://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/military-products/military-aircraft-conversions/1-72-scale/freightdog-1-72-hawker-blue-jay-hunter-f-mk-6-project.html

http://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/firestreak-missiles-and-pylons-x4-6559-p.asp

http://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/javelin-firestreak-missiles-drop-tanks-and-pylons-6563-p.asp

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 13, 2018, 07:15:08 am
Hannant's have these in stock.

https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=&code=&product_type_id=all_aircraft_accessories&scale_id=956&keyword_search=Firestreak&setPerPage=25&currency_id= (https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=&code=&product_type_id=all_aircraft_accessories&scale_id=956&keyword_search=Firestreak&setPerPage=25&currency_id=)

Barracuda Studios look a tad fiddly for my eyes.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 13, 2018, 07:20:04 am
Couple of questions:

1. How soon can we get clarity on when the 1WkGB's going to be? The reason I ask is that I might have the option of taking some or all of that week off, but the chances of getting it shrink the later I leave it.

2. What's the exact nature of the RAF-at-100 GB going to be?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 13, 2018, 07:35:07 am
You sure you meant to post this here mate ? Or should it be in my post on the 2018/19 season proposals ? If so I'll move it for you.

Anyway to answer your questions.

One week GB will be either first or second weeks of June. Now given I'm up North for the Northern Show it will almost certainly be second week, therefore 11th to 17th June inclusive.

RAF -100 ? Haven't thought about it in that detail yet, but my first instincts would be to make it as open and inclusive as possible. I'll leave the exact scope up to the membership/moderators to decide during the usual pre G.B. discussion period which I'll set up a month or so before the start. If people wanted to enter builds based on the premise that the R.A.F. never happened ? (continuation of R.F.C./R.N.A.S. perhaps)  then I'll leave that one up to the membership to decide.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 13, 2018, 08:47:54 am
Aw crap: yes, I have posted it in the wrong place: sorry.  :banghead: Please move it.

Thanks for the answers. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 14, 2018, 07:41:12 am
Aw crap: yes, I have posted it in the wrong place: sorry.  :banghead: Please move it.



After looking at it I'm not sure I can ?  :banghead: I can move a topic, but not a post, or at least not that I can see how to do it ? I don't want to play around and possibly mess everything up so I'll leave it here until I can think about it a bit.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 14, 2018, 08:06:01 am
Couldn't you do a 'Copy and Paste' and then a 'Delete'?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: loupgarou on March 14, 2018, 11:00:32 am
Couldn't you do a 'Copy and Paste' and then a 'Delete'?

I am afraid every post copied/pasted would appear as a Narses post.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 14, 2018, 11:35:00 am
Couldn't you do a 'Copy and Paste' and then a 'Delete'?

I am afraid every post copied/pasted would appear as a Narses post.


But he's a Grand Moderator, I'm sure he has 'Special Powers'.  ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 14, 2018, 02:08:18 pm
Leave it here then. I'll fix the situation by copying it to over there. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 15, 2018, 04:30:32 am
Couldn't you do a 'Copy and Paste' and then a 'Delete'?
I am afraid every post copied/pasted would appear as a Narses post.
But he's a Grand Moderator, I'm sure he has 'Special Powers'.  ;D ;D ;) ;)

He claims to, but i've yet to see any evidence.   :o


Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 15, 2018, 07:41:40 am
Leave it here then. I'll fix the situation by copying it to over there. :thumbsup:

Yup cheers H  :thumbsup: Never thought of doing that way  :banghead:

Now musing whether to clean the whole thing up ? Let me know how you feel Mods
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 15, 2018, 07:42:14 am
Couldn't you do a 'Copy and Paste' and then a 'Delete'?
I am afraid every post copied/pasted would appear as a Narses post.
But he's a Grand Moderator, I'm sure he has 'Special Powers'.  ;D ;D ;) ;)

He claims to, but i've yet to see any evidence.   :o

That's because I haven't been caught yet.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on March 16, 2018, 03:31:22 am
Leave it here then. I'll fix the situation by copying it to over there. :thumbsup:

Yup cheers H  :thumbsup: Never thought of doing that way  :banghead:

Now musing whether to clean the whole thing up ? Let me know how you feel Mods

I like a bit of mess.  Humanises things.
 ;D
Leave it as it is.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 16, 2018, 08:19:00 am
Okey Dockey
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 16, 2018, 10:18:33 am
I almost never clean my messes up at home: why should it be any different here?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 19, 2018, 07:04:38 am
Fundamental entry question: would a model be eligible for the GB that is rooted (project-wise) in the mid-Eighties, but would enter hardware stage and testing after the breakdown of the Soviet Union (probably early Nineties)?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 19, 2018, 07:29:18 am
Fundamental entry question: would a model be eligible for the GB that is rooted (project-wise) in the mid-Eighties, but would enter hardware stage and testing after the breakdown of the Soviet Union (probably early Nineties)?

A discussion has been started.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 20, 2018, 06:42:59 am
Thank you very much. If it is not eligible, the project will be postponed for a "normal" build. But it has been on my list for a long time, and GBs are always a good motivation to tackle the more complex builds...  ;)

In the real world, the project behind it had been conceived in 1984 in the Western hemisphere and presented to officials as a private venture in 1986 - with no hardware ever rolled out. However, I'd like to spin the idea further, add some international partners, and, realistically, a prototype might not have appeared before 1990. The political development more or less outran the project, though.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 20, 2018, 06:55:15 am
Thank you very much. If it is not eligible, the project will be postponed for a "normal" build. But it has been on my list for a long time, and GBs are always a good motivation to tackle the more complex builds...  ;)

In the real world, the project behind it had been conceived in 1984 in the Western hemisphere and presented to officials as a private venture in 1986 - with no hardware ever rolled out. However, I'd like to spin the idea further, add some international partners, and, realistically, a prototype might not have appeared before 1990. The political development more or less outran the project, though.

Sorry, but we've decided that, on the timeline you propose, this one is NOT eligible for the GB. To be eligible, it must have at least reached prototype form during the Cold War period. Of course, you could always change history a bit to have the project start earlier or proceed faster, but that's your call.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 20, 2018, 07:36:06 am
Thank you very much for the clarification - and no problem, it will just rest a bit longer on the ideas list...  ;)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 20, 2018, 07:48:01 am
You realise we are all trying to work out what it is ?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 20, 2018, 08:02:32 am
That's the plan, and the reason why I kept input so vague.  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on March 25, 2018, 06:57:09 am
Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 25, 2018, 08:16:18 am

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 25, 2018, 11:28:57 am

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Nick on March 25, 2018, 11:39:56 am
Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?

Did I not mention that I have acquired a pair of Red Top missiles from Freightdog? He's a very nice chap, that Colin!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 25, 2018, 01:24:00 pm

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.


They could surely have made those mods to the SR53 as well though?
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: Weaver on March 25, 2018, 02:07:31 pm

Possibly make a start on my SR 53 this coming week or over Easter. Been wondering about her armament ? If she'd have stayed in service could she have moved from Firestreak to Redtop in the same way as the Lightning ?


I don't see why not. The F6 Lightnings could use both missiles on the same pylons, so they must have been 'common wired'.

Not quite: the missile support pack for Red Top and Firestreak was totally different. The pylons might have looked the same, but what was in the slice of fuselage between them was totally different. The difference was in the cooling: Firestreak used ammonia to cool it's seeker and valve electronics, while Red Top used compressed air to cool it's seeker and electricity to heat it's transistorized electronics.


They could surely have made those mods to the SR53 as well though?

Oh sure, from a modelling point of view it doesn't matter: I was just responding to the idea that it was as simple as having 'common wiring'.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 26, 2018, 08:54:51 am
I may have to pull out from my builds for this GB, at least for the GB itself, I'll still build them but it'll take longer.  :banghead:

I've got a lot of railway stuff landed on my plate and I've been asked to help out the local ATC Squadron build an 'RAF 100' diorama. NO chance of that being done by April 1st of course.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: TallEng on March 26, 2018, 04:49:06 pm
Your a busy man Kit, and I guess the APT-T could also be seen as a potential Whiff (all be it an expensive one on OO)
Good luck to you and those involved in this exciting project of what could have been a winner.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 26, 2018, 09:35:25 pm

Your a busy man Kit, and I guess the APT-T could also be seen as a potential Whiff (all be it an expensive one on OO)
Good luck to you and those involved in this exciting project of what could have been a winner.


It's certainly a 'Project Cancelled', and after a few suggestions at Telford last year my APT-E model may appear on the PC stand this year.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: The Rat on April 28, 2018, 04:59:44 pm
Okay mods, I'm in need of a ruling again. This was a fully built model, 50 years ago. It is now far from it, as you can see, and missing sections that will need to be fabricated from scratch. It is also going to undergo some significant sawing.

So, eligible? (Half-hoping no, I've already got a lot on my plate :blink: ;D )

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31416706_10156978661603132_397984679103299584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeG0CAzkfNJQ2Y_o01VvZ6Qx2DHEWMeAI5CBb0s-s-dRwdnYGSvtkjOR4CaUDwmJTG0hTKva38_doAtRhZyKBMellY2p1QV6U9sZCc_iATUy-Q&oh=82a972176c47707595fe4b68dceea6c5&oe=5B5507AB)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on April 29, 2018, 04:32:33 am
I will consult with the others.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on April 30, 2018, 02:51:15 am
Okay mods, I'm in need of a ruling again. This was a fully built model, 50 years ago. It is now far from it, as you can see, and missing sections that will need to be fabricated from scratch. It is also going to undergo some significant sawing.

So, eligible? (Half-hoping no, I've already got a lot on my plate :blink: ;D )

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31416706_10156978661603132_397984679103299584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeG0CAzkfNJQ2Y_o01VvZ6Qx2DHEWMeAI5CBb0s-s-dRwdnYGSvtkjOR4CaUDwmJTG0hTKva38_doAtRhZyKBMellY2p1QV6U9sZCc_iATUy-Q&oh=82a972176c47707595fe4b68dceea6c5&oe=5B5507AB)

It's a yes.

Good luck getting all that paint and the decals off.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: The Rat on April 30, 2018, 04:10:24 pm
It's a yes.

Good luck getting all that paint and the decals off.

Thank you! (Calls rental shop to reserve sandblaster)
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on May 03, 2018, 05:57:05 am
Less than a month to go gents
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on May 17, 2018, 06:05:08 am
Couple of weeks to go lads
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on May 26, 2018, 10:04:37 pm
4 1/2 Days left!
In light of Weaver's recent family bereavement please direct any final questions, issues and requests for an extension (accompanied by the appropriate bribe) to me rather than to him.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 29, 2018, 05:30:31 pm
Well, if amicable and others need it, I suggest an extension. I'll certainly not be making the initial deadline, yet, am positive I could get it (my lone project) done with another week or so.

 :mellow:

All bribes are already on record.  ;D

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on May 30, 2018, 04:43:50 am
Well, we have already had a discussion on this subject and in light of the fact that the One Week GB is running 9th to 17th June I have been authorised to offer an extension of one week (we don't want to overlap building periods but feel that having the Cold War vote running at the same time as the One Week build is acceptable if we all channel our feminine sides and multi-task).

So, deadline is hereby extended to local midnight Friday 07-06-18.

Good luck to all of you still building.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: NARSES2 on May 30, 2018, 06:38:07 am
is acceptable if we all channel our feminine sides and multi-task).



It's normally a disaster when I try and multi-task  :banghead:
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 30, 2018, 08:55:17 am
Most glorious.   :mellow: :mellow:   Pretty close to painting mine so it won't be long now!
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on June 05, 2018, 03:33:16 am
51 1/2 hours to go, Melbourne time.
A bit more if you're West of me, less for the Kiwis.
Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on June 07, 2018, 11:53:57 pm
OK.  This is done like a kipper.

I'm now off to Model Expo to enter some whiffs and when I get back (2ish hours) i'll be locking everything up.

Title: Re: Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread
Post by: zenrat on June 08, 2018, 03:02:49 am
All over red rover.
Please put your chairs up on the tables, drop your rubbish in the bin by the door and leave quietly as the neighbours are heavily armed, grumpy and light sleepers.

There will be a poll coming soon.