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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2017, 05:02:38 pm »
Isn't that a Centurion chassis?

Probably not, knowing how little I know about AFVs.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2017, 07:12:54 pm »
Isn't that a Centurion chassis?

Probably not, knowing how little I know about AFVs.

An excellent observation.  Yes, its a Centurion chassis.   It was never planned to be operational on the Centurion.  It was purely for testing.  It more than likely would have been on a Chieftain chassis, with a considerably lower, broader turret.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2017, 01:41:19 am »
Good heavens, sometimes I surprise myself.  :o

Whatever were they going to use that MONSTER gun for though? Surely the turret was so huge the enemy would have spotted it from miles away?
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2017, 05:39:13 am »
I wonder why ACE selected the FV4005 183mm versions rather than the FV4004 Conway with the 120mm gun. The Conway would have been used like the Firefly to complement Centurion units where they couldn't rely on having the heavier Conqueror close at hand. The 183mm FV4005 would be similar to get a bigger gun to deal with the Soviet super heavies, although the FV215B  version of the Conqueror would have been the more likely operational development.

The FV215B has just been released in 1/35th scale by Amusing Hobby so definite for the larger scale Whif & Project Cancelled builders amongst us.

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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2017, 06:17:07 am »
I wonder why ACE selected the FV4005 183mm versions rather than the FV4004 Conway with the 120mm gun. The Conway would have been used like the Firefly to complement Centurion units where they couldn't rely on having the heavier Conqueror close at hand. The 183mm FV4005 would be similar to get a bigger gun to deal with the Soviet super heavies, although the FV215B  version of the Conqueror would have been the more likely operational development.

The FV215B has just been released in 1/35th scale by Amusing Hobby so definite for the larger scale Whif & Project Cancelled builders amongst us.

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/09/amusing-hobby-true-to-form-with-their.html





Its the WoT Deathstar. :o Kills most lower tier (8 and 9) tanks with one shot...and takes forever to reload.  Which goes back to my statement earlier in this thread- World of Tanks in bringing out those could runs and paper experiments.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2017, 06:34:31 pm »
Good heavens, sometimes I surprise myself.  :o

Whatever were they going to use that MONSTER gun for though? Surely the turret was so huge the enemy would have spotted it from miles away?

It was intended to be a Tank Destroyer, Kit.  The 7.2in gun would have allowed it to outrange and outshoot anything the Soviets had, at the time.  However, it was realised it wouldn't work, being too lightly armoured and too high, so instead they went with the Conqueror and then the Chieftain, with a 120mm gun.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2017, 01:10:02 am »
This page says its a Self Propelled Gun and the gun is a 183mm Howitzer.
Wouldn't that make it unsuitable for anti tank use?  Surely you'd want a gun with a flat trajectory to take out tanks rather then one designed to lob shells in an arc onto enemy positions?
Or is that just down to ammunition?
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2017, 03:15:06 am »
Not quite they had dedicated SPG versions of the Centurion family using the 25 pounder and a 5.5 inch gun in the FV3800 series (Martin H has done the Cromwell versions in 1/76th).

The 183mm was being tested in the Anti-Tank role much as the Germans switched their 88mm guns to counter the Matilda Tanks, as NATO was getting concerned about the developments of the JS series of Soviet Heavy Tanks, much like the Navies started to plan for the new Svedlov super heavy cruisers, the Army looked into guns bigger than the 120mm incase it wasn't going to do the job against the next super JS tank. As it happened the intelligence had over rated expectations and the 120mm gun was deemed more than adequate for the job.

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Anyway it looks like we have the Stalwart ad the Saracen due from Ace this year which are nice additions in 72nd, now would be good if we could get them to do the Bedford RL and Land Rover to go with the AFVs, but at least they are doing Monty's Humber in 72nd  :thumbsup:
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2017, 03:16:57 am »
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2017, 04:53:30 am »
As long as they're starting to do light armor, I wonder if we'll see this pig:
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2017, 07:28:07 am »
I thought for the briefest of moments it was a Shorland, which would also be welcome.  A manufacturer could go nuts on Northern Ireland Land Rover variants, not to mention other types such as the Humber Pig, Saracen (JB/Airfix kit is a little clunky) etc.

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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2017, 09:54:50 am »
What determines if an AFV is called a 'tank' or a 'self-propelled gun'?

That page that Fred linked said that monster thing had a '360 degree traversing turret', which I would have thought made it a 'tank'.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2017, 10:37:17 am »
I am wanting several of the V-100's and 150's as the fit nicely into my builds.
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2017, 11:04:14 am »
the loose definition kit, is if its a direct fire weapon as its main gun is, its a tank, if its capable of indirect fire for its main purpose its a SPG.  ( roughly)
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Re: Ace Models
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2017, 11:10:16 am »
Ah right, I know about direct & indirect fire, thanks. I didn't realise any AFV would be capable of indirect fire.

I wasn't a #3 on a 25 pdr for nothing you know.  ;D
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