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Title: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on July 09, 2011, 04:07:28 am
Not everybody's favorite in quality terms I know, but they do do an impressive range of subjects in 1/72nd armour.


This caught my eye - Japanese Type 95 car:

(http://www.hannants.co.uk/images/full/ACE72296.jpg)

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72296

Lot of money for a small car, but then at least it's not another bloody Jeep or Kubelwagon, and has quite a distinctive look of it's own. I imagine it would look good in civvie colours too.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on July 09, 2011, 04:29:27 am
Noddy goes to war???
Chris.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on December 16, 2012, 01:27:03 pm
Not sure if this is new or not, but it's new to me:

(http://media.hannants.co.uk/pics/ACE72113.jpg)

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72113

Now that's a turret that's begging to be put on another hull for a credible whiff: any BMP, a PT-76....
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on December 17, 2012, 10:57:11 am
Its been out a couple of months H, and if you want any of Ace's kits but without the excessive price tag have a look on modelsua.com, Ivan is pretty good at giving discounts too, if your cheeky enough  :rolleyes: :lol:
Chris
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Rheged on December 17, 2012, 11:46:56 am
Noddy goes to war???
Chris.

Going head to head with Brum??
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on January 06, 2013, 02:47:26 pm
For those who have built any of these tracked vehicles, and like me nearly had a nervous breakdown over the virtually unusable tracks that are supplied in the kit, a rubbery light has appeared at the end of the tunnel in the shape of these coronary preventing goodies
http://modelsua.com/NONA-BTR-D-type-rubber-tracks-1-72-ACE-ACEr005.html
Cheap enough to buy several sets of as they do them for a couple of different kits. Looks like a couple of my stalled builds will be getting brought back to life now.
Chris
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on May 22, 2013, 09:37:26 am
This looks rather nice too, and would suit a nice big turbo prop and contra props too.
http://modelsua.com/Grumman-AF-2S-Guardian-Hunter-1-72-ACE-72304.html
Chris.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on July 14, 2013, 04:30:11 am
This is interesting: Ace are doing one of the Soviet Aerosan snow vehicles in 1/72nd. Previously these were only available from Trumpeter in 1/35th:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72516

(http://media.hannants.co.uk/pics/ACE72516.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on November 02, 2014, 03:41:24 pm
Another Ace aerosan in at the big H:

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/ACE72517.jpg)http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72517

Also, a weird French artillery tractor from WWII:

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/ACE72535.jpg)http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72535


and a field gun from WWI:

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/ACE72543.jpg)http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72543
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 02, 2014, 04:54:24 pm
Somebody should've told that Dodge command car driver that he ran over a Crosley along his route.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on November 03, 2014, 06:39:37 am
It's good to see someone doing French softskins and WWI guns, which of course fit into a 39/40 scenario
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on May 02, 2016, 04:34:26 am
http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606 (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606)
Ace are doing a rather tasty 1/72nd British MK III Centurion tank, looks rather good and the MK V is to follow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Captain Canada on May 02, 2016, 09:34:45 am
Excellent !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: KiwiZac on May 03, 2016, 01:37:34 pm
http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606 (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606)
Ace are doing a rather tasty 1/72nd British MK III Centurion tank, looks rather good and the MK V is to follow  :thumbsup:
Now that I have a started MPC boxing of the Airfix Cent on the way from eBay :-( You're all very welcome!!!!!
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: rickshaw on May 03, 2016, 05:58:11 pm
http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606 (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/606)
Ace are doing a rather tasty 1/72nd British MK III Centurion tank, looks rather good and the MK V is to follow  :thumbsup:

The parts for the Mk.V are apparently included in the Mk.III boxing.   The major difference is the turret top (of which there are two).  The one with the extra gunner's sight on the turret top front is the Mk.V lid.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on May 04, 2016, 02:15:35 am
http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2016.pdf (http://www.acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2016.pdf)

Ace are also doing the Conway FV4005  :thumbsup:,

Plenty of other interesting stuff lined up too, such as the Humber Snipes, VBLs, BTR-70/80s etc
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 04, 2016, 02:51:07 am
Finally Centurion 1/72 :party: :cheers: :drink:
... and 105 gun version?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: rickshaw on May 04, 2016, 07:53:36 am
Interesting, an Israeli Centurion with a Type A 20 Pdr barrel.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Army of One on May 04, 2016, 10:21:04 am
Oooooh.......i really like some of the vehicles there......some of the four wheel stuff is great.....like some of the BTR's as well....
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on May 04, 2016, 12:58:29 pm
AT LAST!!!! some 1/7nd scale V-150's, I have been wanting some of these for years!!

Chris.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on May 05, 2016, 05:24:33 am
What are Ace like to build these days, are newer one's any better than older kits?

AT LAST!!!! some 1/7nd scale V-150's, I have been wanting some of these for years!!

Chris.

I'd like to see a Commando Scout, in any scale really.  Always like it's 70's sport car looks, like an armoured Stratos.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on May 05, 2016, 12:27:21 pm
I had a die cast one as a kid, think it was a corgi one, and have liked them ever since. They have loads of whiffing potential too.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Old Wombat on May 05, 2016, 07:43:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRykzuk8R8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRykzuk8R8)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on May 05, 2016, 11:44:48 pm
The Commando Scout is kind of like a wheeled Scorpion really. I doubt you're going to see a kit of it any time soon though, 'cos nearly nobody bought it: just Egypt and Indonesia, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 02:01:26 am
But Tamiya did Sgt York........
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on May 06, 2016, 06:33:12 am
But Tamiya did Sgt York........

Yup, but at the time everyone thought it was a working prototype and would go into series production and be sold all over the world. Back in the day model companies would vie with each other to be first out with a new model (I'm not saying the Tamiya Sgt York falls into this category) but it's why you have an awful lot of models out there, Airfix Buccaneer, which represent the prototype.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on May 06, 2016, 07:06:46 am
They didn't even have to sell the Sgt York all over the world, just to the US Army would have been enough to justify a model. Model companies play to their customers: that's why you get so many kits of Japanese vehicles that are never seen outside of Japan 'on the world stage', but French stuff, which is a fixture in just about every dirty-little-war, has been generally under-represented.

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on May 06, 2016, 07:10:12 am

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Somebody did I swear, although it may have been 1/76 ? Nitto ? I had one when I was wargamming back in the 70's/80's  :blink: Their small scale armour was really good. Even had internal detail
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Army of One on May 06, 2016, 12:17:00 pm
Hobbymaster do one......in 1/72.....diecast though I'm sure......
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on May 06, 2016, 12:20:22 pm

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Somebody did I swear, although it may have been 1/76 ? Nitto ? I had one when I was wargamming back in the 70's/80's  :blink: Their small scale armour was really good. Even had internal detail

Are you sure you're not remembering their M-36 Jackson Chris? Came with a despatch-rider on a Harley...
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 07, 2016, 12:38:20 am
There was an M-18 from MMS, but in white metal and a heavy beastie.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on May 07, 2016, 03:24:49 am
My only hope for the Scout is that there seem to be quite a lot of mainstream kits of niche subjects being released recently (Meng comes to mind).  As Chris mentioned, it's not necessarily the what, but the who that makes a difference.  Hence we've got kits of the Tortoise and Achzarit but probably little chance of the Scout coming out.  I can but hope.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on May 07, 2016, 05:04:29 am

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Somebody did I swear, although it may have been 1/76 ? Nitto ? I had one when I was wargamming back in the 70's/80's  :blink: Their small scale armour was really good. Even had internal detail


Are you sure you're not remembering their M-36 Jackson Chris? Came with a despatch-rider on a Harley...

I could be, it was a long time ago, but whatever I had there was no despatch rider in the boxing I had. Would have remembered that

Edit : thinking again did they do mini diorama type boxings ? Because I do remember some with oil drums, barrier gates, coils of barbed wire etc. Still got a lot of my white metal wargames stuff but the plastic stuff went eons ago.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: scooter on May 07, 2016, 05:23:22 am
My only hope for the Scout is that there seem to be quite a lot of mainstream kits of niche subjects being released recently (Meng comes to mind).  As Chris mentioned, it's not necessarily the what, but the who that makes a difference.  Hence we've got kits of the Tortoise and Achzarit but probably little chance of the Scout coming out.  I can but hope.

Betcha World of Tanks has something to do with it.  More people being exposed to these niche subjects and, perhaps, want their very own on their shelf.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on May 07, 2016, 06:26:47 am

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Somebody did I swear, although it may have been 1/76 ? Nitto ? I had one when I was wargamming back in the 70's/80's  :blink: Their small scale armour was really good. Even had internal detail


Are you sure you're not remembering their M-36 Jackson Chris? Came with a despatch-rider on a Harley...

I could be, it was a long time ago, but whatever I had there was no despatch rider in the boxing I had. Would have remembered that

Edit : thinking again did they do mini diorama type boxings ? Because I do remember some with oil drums, barrier gates, coils of barbed wire etc. Still got a lot of my white metal wargames stuff but the plastic stuff went eons ago.

They did a diorama set boxing of the M-36, with a bike, a jeep and some scenic stuff.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on May 07, 2016, 08:13:40 am
My only hope for the Scout is that there seem to be quite a lot of mainstream kits of niche subjects being released recently (Meng comes to mind).  As Chris mentioned, it's not necessarily the what, but the who that makes a difference.  Hence we've got kits of the Tortoise and Achzarit but probably little chance of the Scout coming out.  I can but hope.

What about a scratch build ?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: kitnut617 on May 07, 2016, 08:23:54 am
I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Is this close enough

http://modelcars.us/wespe-models-wespe-models-wes-r025-172-gmc-m18-hellcat-resin-kit/
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on May 07, 2016, 02:03:36 pm
My only hope for the Scout is that there seem to be quite a lot of mainstream kits of niche subjects being released recently (Meng comes to mind).  As Chris mentioned, it's not necessarily the what, but the who that makes a difference.  Hence we've got kits of the Tortoise and Achzarit but probably little chance of the Scout coming out.  I can but hope.

What about a scratch build ?

Aw no Geoff, you've got me thinkin'.... :o
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on May 07, 2016, 02:34:55 pm
I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Is this close enough

http://modelcars.us/wespe-models-wespe-models-wes-r025-172-gmc-m18-hellcat-resin-kit/

Yes I know there have been resin ones for years to service the needs of wargamers, but I mean a mainstream IM kit. It's not like it's some wierd obscure subject after all.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 07, 2016, 11:49:50 pm
My only hope for the Scout is that there seem to be quite a lot of mainstream kits of niche subjects being released recently (Meng comes to mind).  As Chris mentioned, it's not necessarily the what, but the who that makes a difference.  Hence we've got kits of the Tortoise and Achzarit but probably little chance of the Scout coming out.  I can but hope.

What about a scratch build ?

Aw no Geoff, you've got me thinkin'.... :o

If it's any help, way back when in Airfix Magazine, Chris Ellis based an M-18 on the Airfix Leopard.
Course, nowadays you could use the Revell or Hasegawa M-24.

Just a thought.

Cheers
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on May 08, 2016, 04:52:41 am

I wonder if A-Model take suggestions? If so, one thing they might consider is a 1/72nd M18 Hellcat: as far as I know, that's NEVER been kitted in 1/72nd and I can't seen any reason why not...

Somebody did I swear, although it may have been 1/76 ? Nitto ? I had one when I was wargamming back in the 70's/80's  :blink: Their small scale armour was really good. Even had internal detail


Are you sure you're not remembering their M-36 Jackson Chris? Came with a despatch-rider on a Harley...

I could be, it was a long time ago, but whatever I had there was no despatch rider in the boxing I had. Would have remembered that

Edit : thinking again did they do mini diorama type boxings ? Because I do remember some with oil drums, barrier gates, coils of barbed wire etc. Still got a lot of my white metal wargames stuff but the plastic stuff went eons ago.

They did a diorama set boxing of the M-36, with a bike, a jeep and some scenic stuff.

Probably that, but I don't remember the bike  :blink:





If it's any help, way back when in Airfix Magazine, Chris Ellis based an M-18 on the Airfix Leopard.
Course, nowadays you could use the Revell or Hasegawa M-24.

Just a thought.

Cheers
[/quote]

I remember that. Probably still got the mag somewhere. I hate throwing the printed word away
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Rick Lowe on May 09, 2016, 12:46:53 am
Dittoo...

Have some fun, busting out some of your old-school scratchbuilding moves, on some even older-school kits...  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on January 13, 2017, 02:54:32 pm
Ace have released the FV 4005 stage II in 1/72nd scale, just had a wee look at the real thing, Very well could get drafted into Honduras military service, to sort those pesky T-72 and 80's out.
Chris.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Madoc on January 13, 2017, 03:17:42 pm
Seems like World of Tanks is proving quite the inspiration for a whole lot of model companies!
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 13, 2017, 04:05:08 pm
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/fv4005-centurion-self-propelled-gun_3.jpg)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=825
Wow, that's one ugly tank.  It looks like someone built a turret from a shipping container.

<edit>or, like a failed scaleorama exercise.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 13, 2017, 05:02:38 pm
Isn't that a Centurion chassis?

Probably not, knowing how little I know about AFVs.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: rickshaw on January 13, 2017, 07:12:54 pm
Isn't that a Centurion chassis?

Probably not, knowing how little I know about AFVs.

An excellent observation.  Yes, its a Centurion chassis.   It was never planned to be operational on the Centurion.  It was purely for testing.  It more than likely would have been on a Chieftain chassis, with a considerably lower, broader turret.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2017, 01:41:19 am
Good heavens, sometimes I surprise myself.  :o

Whatever were they going to use that MONSTER gun for though? Surely the turret was so huge the enemy would have spotted it from miles away?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on January 14, 2017, 05:39:13 am
I wonder why ACE selected the FV4005 183mm versions rather than the FV4004 Conway with the 120mm gun. The Conway would have been used like the Firefly to complement Centurion units where they couldn't rely on having the heavier Conqueror close at hand. The 183mm FV4005 would be similar to get a bigger gun to deal with the Soviet super heavies, although the FV215B  version of the Conqueror would have been the more likely operational development.

The FV215B has just been released in 1/35th scale by Amusing Hobby so definite for the larger scale Whif & Project Cancelled builders amongst us.

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/09/amusing-hobby-true-to-form-with-their.html (http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/09/amusing-hobby-true-to-form-with-their.html)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pijWA0jPcMM/V8gZLCnh33I/AAAAAAAB5b0/oDL0j-m0iSIxmOY72rVH2D4_hTev_TBDwCLcB/s1600/A.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n0O358HyBBg/V0UHXnKzpZI/AAAAAAAB0AM/nD5WnIn14VYwxyPYUZt2GUTtpuEnMyMKQCLcB/s1600/Shizuoka%2BHobby%2B%2B2016%2BBeaver%2BHLJ%2BAmusing%2BHobby%2B%25283%2529.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: scooter on January 14, 2017, 06:17:07 am
I wonder why ACE selected the FV4005 183mm versions rather than the FV4004 Conway with the 120mm gun. The Conway would have been used like the Firefly to complement Centurion units where they couldn't rely on having the heavier Conqueror close at hand. The 183mm FV4005 would be similar to get a bigger gun to deal with the Soviet super heavies, although the FV215B  version of the Conqueror would have been the more likely operational development.

The FV215B has just been released in 1/35th scale by Amusing Hobby so definite for the larger scale Whif & Project Cancelled builders amongst us.

http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/09/amusing-hobby-true-to-form-with-their.html (http://www.themodellingnews.com/2016/09/amusing-hobby-true-to-form-with-their.html)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pijWA0jPcMM/V8gZLCnh33I/AAAAAAAB5b0/oDL0j-m0iSIxmOY72rVH2D4_hTev_TBDwCLcB/s1600/A.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n0O358HyBBg/V0UHXnKzpZI/AAAAAAAB0AM/nD5WnIn14VYwxyPYUZt2GUTtpuEnMyMKQCLcB/s1600/Shizuoka%2BHobby%2B%2B2016%2BBeaver%2BHLJ%2BAmusing%2BHobby%2B%25283%2529.jpg)

Its the WoT Deathstar. :o Kills most lower tier (8 and 9) tanks with one shot...and takes forever to reload.  Which goes back to my statement earlier in this thread- World of Tanks in bringing out those could runs and paper experiments.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: rickshaw on January 14, 2017, 06:34:31 pm
Good heavens, sometimes I surprise myself.  :o

Whatever were they going to use that MONSTER gun for though? Surely the turret was so huge the enemy would have spotted it from miles away?

It was intended to be a Tank Destroyer, Kit.  The 7.2in gun would have allowed it to outrange and outshoot anything the Soviets had, at the time.  However, it was realised it wouldn't work, being too lightly armoured and too high, so instead they went with the Conqueror and then the Chieftain, with a 120mm gun.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 15, 2017, 01:10:02 am
This page (http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=825) says its a Self Propelled Gun and the gun is a 183mm Howitzer.
Wouldn't that make it unsuitable for anti tank use?  Surely you'd want a gun with a flat trajectory to take out tanks rather then one designed to lob shells in an arc onto enemy positions?
Or is that just down to ammunition?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on January 15, 2017, 03:15:06 am
Not quite they had dedicated SPG versions of the Centurion family using the 25 pounder and a 5.5 inch gun in the FV3800 series (Martin H has done the Cromwell versions in 1/76th).

The 183mm was being tested in the Anti-Tank role much as the Germans switched their 88mm guns to counter the Matilda Tanks, as NATO was getting concerned about the developments of the JS series of Soviet Heavy Tanks, much like the Navies started to plan for the new Svedlov super heavy cruisers, the Army looked into guns bigger than the 120mm incase it wasn't going to do the job against the next super JS tank. As it happened the intelligence had over rated expectations and the 120mm gun was deemed more than adequate for the job.

http://acemodel.com.ua/en/projects (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/projects)

http://acemodel.com.ua/en/soon (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/soon)

Anyway it looks like we have the Stalwart ad the Saracen due from Ace this year which are nice additions in 72nd, now would be good if we could get them to do the Bedford RL and Land Rover to go with the AFVs, but at least they are doing Monty's Humber in 72nd  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on January 15, 2017, 03:16:57 am
http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/646 (http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/646)

(http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/models/72431/001.jpg)

The V-100 should go down well to  :mellow:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: scooter on January 15, 2017, 04:53:30 am
As long as they're starting to do light armor, I wonder if we'll see this pig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Gage_Ranger):
(http://50states.s3.amazonaws.com/348_1_1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on January 15, 2017, 07:28:07 am
I thought for the briefest of moments it was a Shorland, which would also be welcome.  A manufacturer could go nuts on Northern Ireland Land Rover variants, not to mention other types such as the Humber Pig, Saracen (JB/Airfix kit is a little clunky) etc.

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/General/Short%20Shorland.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Mossie105/media/General/Short%20Shorland.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 15, 2017, 09:54:50 am
What determines if an AFV is called a 'tank' or a 'self-propelled gun'?

That page that Fred linked said that monster thing had a '360 degree traversing turret', which I would have thought made it a 'tank'.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on January 15, 2017, 10:37:17 am
I am wanting several of the V-100's and 150's as the fit nicely into my builds.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 15, 2017, 11:04:14 am
the loose definition kit, is if its a direct fire weapon as its main gun is, its a tank, if its capable of indirect fire for its main purpose its a SPG.  ( roughly)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 15, 2017, 11:10:16 am
Ah right, I know about direct & indirect fire, thanks. I didn't realise any AFV would be capable of indirect fire.

I wasn't a #3 on a 25 pdr for nothing you know.  ;D
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 15, 2017, 11:21:14 am
the Sherman was capable of semi indirect fire, if what ive read and been told is true,  so it  dosnt entirely ring true,  but its close enough.
I take it that was wile you were in the cadets during your school years Kit?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 15, 2017, 11:35:28 am

I take it that was wile you were in the cadets during your school years Kit?


Dead right, I was a BQMS and later a BSM in our RA section, and we even had our own 25 pdr.  ;D

I've got an ace pic of our gun crew in action somewhere. I should scan it and post it.  ;D
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on January 23, 2017, 01:35:22 am
http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2017_catalogue.pdf (http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2017_catalogue.pdf)

Ace's new 2017 new tools catalogue is rather tasty

Stalwart Mk1 & Mk2
Saladin APC
Saracen AFV
Salamander Fire Engine  :thumbsup:

Israeli Centurions including the APC

Russian BTR 70/80

Cadillac Gage V-100 and V-150 AFVs

A new tool Ka 25 Hormone

A new tool Douglas Destroyer - Big Tricycle geared USN Gull Wing Dive bomber akin to the Skyraider - lots of Whiff potential  :mellow:

Chrisnord is going to go potty at the potential for his Central American Drug Lord wars gone hot stuff with that lot  ;D
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2017, 01:47:15 am
At last, a kit of the Stalwart I can afford!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 23, 2017, 01:56:09 am
Mmmmmmmm, Stalwart.   :wub:

I had one of those 1/32 Airfix ones when I was a kid.  No idea what happened to it.  Probably destroyed.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on January 23, 2017, 06:18:42 am
Nice list there, especially the FV600 family. :wub:

Good to see a Deystroyer, looks like a Cylon from the front! :o
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 23, 2017, 06:20:00 am
Some interesting offerings - I like the Salamander a lot. The Ka-25 is interesting, too.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2017, 06:37:54 am

I had one of those 1/32 Airfix ones when I was a kid. 


I had a real 1:1 scale one.....

Well, not exactly 'had', but I worked on one, which is why I'd love to model the weird thingie.

We strain gauged the drive shafts and steering track rods on an early Stalwart when they were deciding how many wheels to steer on it, and I spent some time trucking around various bits of the MIRA test track in and on the Stalwart. Not the smoothest riding vehicle I've ever travelled it but it could go ANYwhere!
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on January 23, 2017, 07:02:39 am

A new tool Douglas Destroyer - Big Tricycle geared USN Gull Wing Dive bomber akin to the Skyraider - lots of Whiff potential  :mellow:



Built the Planet one, could possibly do another  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on January 23, 2017, 10:27:03 am
http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2017_catalogue.pdf (http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2017_catalogue.pdf)

Ace's new 2017 new tools catalogue is rather tasty

Stalwart Mk1 & Mk2
Saladin APC
Saracen AFV
Salamander Fire Engine  :thumbsup:

Israeli Centurions including the APC

Russian BTR 70/80

Cadillac Gage V-100 and V-150 AFVs

A new tool Ka 25 Hormone

A new tool Douglas Destroyer - Big Tricycle geared USN Gull Wing Dive bomber akin to the Skyraider - lots of Whiff potential  :mellow:

Chrisnord is going to go potty at the potential for his Central American Drug Lord wars gone hot stuff with that lot  ;D
You are absolutely right there Geoff, especially the V-100 and V-150's, I do hope they have got their act together with the moulding of the kits though, as the old ones caused a few headaches.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 24, 2017, 01:32:54 am

I had one of those 1/32 Airfix ones when I was a kid. 


I had a real 1:1 scale one.....

Well, not exactly 'had', but I worked on one, which is why I'd love to model the weird thingie.

We strain gauged the drive shafts and steering track rods on an early Stalwart when they were deciding how many wheels to steer on it, and I spent some time trucking around various bits of the MIRA test track in and on the Stalwart. Not the smoothest riding vehicle I've ever travelled it but it could go ANYwhere!

I'd love one of the Kit Form Services 1/24 resin kits but at about 215 quid it's well out of my price range.
http://www.kitformservices.com/standard.html
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Mossie on January 24, 2017, 01:40:34 am
Go for the Accurate Armour 1/35 kit, a bargain at only 100!!!  ;D
https://accurate-armour.com/search?terms=stalwart
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 24, 2017, 02:08:28 am
Tempting, but does it this level of detail?
(http://www.kitformservices.com/gallery/stal4.JPG)
Kit is now fighting the temptation to go into rivet counting mode... :mellow:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 24, 2017, 10:01:48 am
Tempting, but does it this level of detail?
(http://www.kitformservices.com/gallery/stal4.JPG)
Kit is now fighting the temptation to go into rivet counting mode... :mellow:

I never saw that view, we had all the instrumentation in the cargo bed on top of the engine hatch covers, apart from the various readouts in the cab.

I DID have far too close a view of the underneath of the darn thing, absolutely stuffed with drive shafts, suspension struts, steering racks and stuff.  :banghead:

Modelling that lot wouldn't be easy in any scale, but it'd be good to see in one of the larger scales.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Rheged on January 24, 2017, 12:47:42 pm
Is this the vehicle that you could "wind up" the transmission because of the odd drive system?
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 24, 2017, 01:34:00 pm

Is this the vehicle that you could "wind up" the transmission because of the odd drive system?


Yes, the Stalwart didn't have normal differentials and it was possible to get it into a situation where all six wheels were going at the same speed even when it was turning. That didn't do the gearboxes and drive shafts any good whatsoever, which exactly why they asked us to strain the various parts to see which ones would be likely to break.

The answer was 'all of them', and I think Alvis installed a centre differential as a result, but the ones I worked on were very early prototypes and I never have had a look at a service vehicle to see how they sorted it out.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: rickshaw on January 24, 2017, 04:40:51 pm
Is this the vehicle that you could "wind up" the transmission because of the odd drive system?

Yes.  Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces like a line of railway sleepers or even the edge of kerbs in a carpark.   Loose surfaces like mud/gravel allowed the drive system to "play" sufficiently to prevent them becoming "wound up".

What I find interesting is that the Wikipedia claims that Australia used the Stalwart but I have never seen any photos of any of our defence forces using them.   I can't find any photos online, either and I've searched fairly extensively.  There are two or more presently in private hands in the country, imported from the UK after they were sold off at the end of the Cold War.   :banghead:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 25, 2017, 12:19:21 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: kitnut617 on January 25, 2017, 02:14:59 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

My old 93' Suburban 4X4 which had limited-slip differentials both ends, would do that if I needed to go to full turn with the steering (over here it's called 'binding') but just driving it on gravel, mud or snow would un-bind it. I haven't experienced it yet with my new Dodge Ram 4X4 though --
although the transmission is all electric (I think) and has 8 gears plus the reverse and 4x4 low (I guess you could call it a 17 gear ----  ;D
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 25, 2017, 02:17:11 am
We only got the 'wind-up'  testing the Stalwart at MIRA while dong the sharp turn tests on the Steering Circle, and the Alvis test driver would take a run around the Cross Country course afterward to 'unwind' it.

Not exactly the smoothest test runs I've ever had I must admit, but we only did one lap at a time, thank goodness!
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Hobbes on January 25, 2017, 06:01:26 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

Depends on the differential setup. If you lock the differentials, this would happen. On a Land Cruiser, you'd have to unlock the diffs before driving on roads.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: zenrat on January 26, 2017, 12:11:19 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

Depends on the differential setup. If you lock the differentials, this would happen. On a Land Cruiser, you'd have to unlock the diffs before driving on roads.

That makes sense.  Not sure about the cruisers but the Moxies and the Loaders had lockable diffs and were really designed to be used off road not on.

...my new Dodge Ram 4X4...has 8 gears plus the reverse and 4x4 low (I guess you could call it a 17 gear ----  ;D

What?  no reverse in 4x4 low?  :blink:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: kitnut617 on January 26, 2017, 02:15:22 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

Depends on the differential setup. If you lock the differentials, this would happen. On a Land Cruiser, you'd have to unlock the diffs before driving on roads.

That makes sense.  Not sure about the cruisers but the Moxies and the Loaders had lockable diffs and were really designed to be used off road not on.

...my new Dodge Ram 4X4...has 8 gears plus the reverse and 4x4 low (I guess you could call it a 17 gear ----  ;D

What?  no reverse in 4x4 low?  :blink:

 ;D  ok it's an 18 gear   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 26, 2017, 02:20:11 am
...Stalwarts were unique in that respect.   If driven on hard surfaces, the transmissions would become "wound up" and need "unwinding".  This could be accomplished driving over rough surfaces...

...like the roads round my way.

I've been told similar things about the transmission "winding up" on Toyota Land Cruisers, Off Road Dump Trucks and Wheel Loaders if driven on concrete or bitumen in all wheel drive mode.

Depends on the differential setup. If you lock the differentials, this would happen. On a Land Cruiser, you'd have to unlock the diffs before driving on roads.

That makes sense.  Not sure about the cruisers but the Moxies and the Loaders had lockable diffs and were really designed to be used off road not on.

...my new Dodge Ram 4X4...has 8 gears plus the reverse and 4x4 low (I guess you could call it a 17 gear ----  ;D

What?  no reverse in 4x4 low?  :blink:

 ;D  ok it's an 18 gear   :rolleyes:

One of my bikes has 20 gears, another has 21, and I'm building one that has 63..........  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on January 26, 2017, 03:34:26 am
Could see that Salamander converted into a whiff riot-control vehicle with mesh over the windows and police markings.... :wacko:

Other things of note on that page:

The Centauro tank destroyer is gorgeous and a good basis for all sorts of whiffery.

The VBL scout car is seen all over the world and is a good generic armoured 'jeep' shape.

The Cockerill gun turret on the LAV-150 is begging to get transplanted onto all sorts of other hulls. The first thing that occurs to me is to put the gun barrel on the Saladin turret and then fit the V-150 with a 20-30mm autocannon.

The T-35A is steampunk as hell...

The Nona-SVK turret (120mm breach-loading mortar) is another prime candidate for turret swaps.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on January 26, 2017, 07:51:06 am
Just had a look at the catalogue and they do some really nice artillery pieces, bet they are fiddly though.


The T-35A is steampunk as hell...



Couldn't find that on the site Harold ? One of my favourite tanks
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Captain Canada on January 26, 2017, 07:54:51 am
Is that ever a tasty collection ! I'm in for more than a few  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on January 26, 2017, 08:10:40 am
Just had a look at the catalogue and they do some really nice artillery pieces, bet they are fiddly though.


The T-35A is steampunk as hell...



Couldn't find that on the site Harold ? One of my favourite tanks

It's on that New for 2017 page that Thorvic posted: http://acemodel.com.ua/pages/ace_2017_catalogue.pdf

Page III, at the bottom.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: NARSES2 on January 27, 2017, 06:07:52 am
Cheers  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Thorvic on January 27, 2017, 06:25:08 am
Could see that Salamander converted into a whiff riot-control vehicle with mesh over the windows and police markings.... :wacko:

Other things of note on that page:

The Centauro tank destroyer is gorgeous and a good basis for all sorts of whiffery.

The VBL scout car is seen all over the world and is a good generic armoured 'jeep' shape.

The Cockerill gun turret on the LAV-150 is begging to get transplanted onto all sorts of other hulls. The first thing that occurs to me is to put the gun barrel on the Saladin turret and then fit the V-150 with a 20-30mm autocannon.

The T-35A is steampunk as hell...

The Nona-SVK turret (120mm breach-loading mortar) is another prime candidate for turret swaps.

Yeap lots of What-If potential what about the Cockeril gun or maybe the Centauro turret on a modified warrior hull as a medium tank.

Now with them doing the Stalwart and the ALVIS range together with the Centurions, we could do with them coming up with the Bedford RL to go with them as that type really has a lot of potential
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Old Wombat on January 28, 2017, 02:26:38 am
Yeap lots of What-If potential what about the Cockeril gun or maybe the Centauro turret on a modified warrior hull as a medium tank.

You mean something like this current 1/35 WIP in the Armour thread? ;)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/Warrior%20FSV/DSCN3866_zpsw2watot9.jpg)

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,42823.0.html (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,42823.0.html)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on March 27, 2017, 06:30:23 am
ModelsUa have got the V-100 in stock so hopefully the other vehicles won't be too far behind it.
Chris 
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on April 15, 2017, 05:22:48 pm
V-100's in at the Big H: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72431

Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on April 16, 2017, 04:11:37 am
V-100's in at the Big H: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72431
I got mine from models Ua, just over $8 it cost me, Hobbylink wanted I think $25 for one  :o. I ordered mine along with the sa-22 greyhound.
Chris
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on December 27, 2017, 12:09:52 pm
The V-150 with the 20 MM and 90 MM gun options is out now, just ordered one  :thumbsup:
Chris.
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on April 23, 2018, 03:01:25 pm
1/72nd Saladin armoured car. Nice, but 16 is an awful lot of money for a small 1/72nd AFV. On the other hand, it might push a lot of cheap JB ones onto the 2nd hand market...

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72435

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/ACE72435.jpg?t=1517998618)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: chrisonord on April 24, 2018, 06:47:32 am
The Centauro is now out, I ordered myself one last week
Chris
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Weaver on July 13, 2019, 11:07:23 am
Ace's Salamander (Stawart-based airfield fire truck) is now in stock at Hannants:

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ACE72434

(And yes, it's expensive at over 20 quid, but watch for sales/discounts/other suppliers)

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/ACE72434.jpg?t=1558949835)
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: JayBee on July 13, 2019, 11:13:43 am
I just hope it has injection clear bits, not those horrible "cut you own shape" acetate abortions that come with their Stalwart kit.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Ace Models
Post by: Runway ? ... on July 24, 2019, 11:52:08 pm
They have clear mouldings where required.
Quite tidy actually. :)