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Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« on: February 07, 2010, 03:43:32 pm »
So if Avro's had built the Atlantic MR.1 (not a bad idea considering the possible export markets that the "British side of things" might have brought the NATO project)
Might they then have carried on with a small redesign and produced this as the Andover?



As you can see its not even cut out yet, but I'm thinking Dark Earth, Middle Stone, Black, "D" type Roundels etc,
Some details need working out; Like nose treatment and tail (Beaver tail?)
profiles ,comments, Brickbats etc welcome!. :thumbsup:

I should of course explain that Avro's decided to modify "their" Atlantic design and that the black shaded lines are meant to represent the portions of model requiring removal, and the bulkhead should show the "new" fuselage shape!! :banghead:
If you see what I mean :unsure:
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 05:30:59 am »
I like this project, watching with interest! :thumbsup:
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 07:37:01 am »
So underfuselage wings?

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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 08:28:14 am »
 Well just like the "Ahem" Andover really, so faired into the bottom of the Fuselage. If you Wikki HS Andover there is a link to Airliners.net, with loads of pictures of Andovers, and you'll soon see the fairing thingamy I have in mind :thumbsup:
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 05:24:51 am »
Well its been a long time since I've posted anything. But Summer is over and i am back with the plastic :thumbsup:
And I have restarted the Alternate Andover project, At the Moment its all held together with masking tape, but I guess you can see the general idea,



showing where the windows might go



The shape of the rear fuselage needs flattening I think to allow a rear door for loading/unloading (like a Herk only smaller)
What do you think?
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:35 am »
Hi there!
Brilliant idea, but where did you get that model?  I've been after something to convert to an Andover for ages!

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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 07:40:25 am »
Brilliant idea, but where did you get that model?  I've been after something to convert to an Andover for ages!

How about a YS-11? The YS-11's atad too long and the nose needs re-shaping but otherwise it's the same aircraft.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 10:51:31 am »
The Model is or was the 1/72 Revell (Germany) Breguet Atlantic 1.
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 11:50:00 am »
The Andover had RR Darts, the Atantique had RR Tynes, that's a heck of a lot more OOMPH! What are you going for?
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 02:56:36 pm »
Wow! looks like the butcher Table. :thumbsup: :cheers: :bow:

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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 04:53:33 pm »
Hi there!
Brilliant idea, but where did you get that model?  I've been after something to convert to an Andover for ages!

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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 03:23:22 am »
As the "Alternate Andover" is supposed to be a "minimum changes" version of the Atlantic Airframe, basically removal of the unpressurised lower bubble, addition of a Ramp door in the rear fuselage and a few more windows, it will retain the RR Tynes, (so it will have plenty of power for "Hot and high" etc) thus retaining much in common with the RAF Atlantic MR 1, which would of course give savings in spare parts ,maintenance etc. Just for comparison I've found the General statistics for the Andover and the Atlantic;

General characteristics; Andover

    * Crew: 2-3
    * Capacity: 44 troops or 14,000 lb (6,350 kg) of cargo
    * Length: 78 ft (23.77 m)
    * Wingspan: 98 ft 6 in (30.02 m)
    * Height: 30 ft 1 in (9.15 m)
    * Wing area: 811 ft (75.4 m)
    * Empty weight: 25,524 lb (11,577 kg)
    * Loaded weight: 40,000 lb (18,000 kg)
    * Max takeoff weight: 51,000 lb (23,100 kg)
    * Powerplant: 2 Rolls-Royce Dart 12 Mk 201 turboprop, 3,245 shp (2,420 kW) each

Performance

    * Maximum speed: 320 mph (512 km/h)
    * Range: 1,624 miles (2,613 km)
    * Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,600 m)

General characteristics; Atlantic MR 1

    * Crew: 12
    * Capacity: 12 passengers or relief crew
    * Length: 31.62 m (103 ft 9 in)
    * Wingspan: 37.42 m (122 ft 9 in [16])
    * Height: 10.89 m (35 ft 8 in)
    * Wing area: 120.34 m (1,295.3 sq ft)
    * Empty weight: 25,700 kg (56,659 lb)
    * Loaded weight: 45,000 kg (99,200 lb)
    * Max takeoff weight: 46,200 kg (101,850 lb)
    * Powerplant: 2 Rolls-Royce Tyne RTy.20 Mk 21 2-shaft turboprops, 6,100 ehp (4,549 kW) each

Performance

    * Maximum speed: 648 km/h (350 knots, 402 mph)
    * Cruise speed: 315 km/h (170 knots, 195 mph) (patrol speed)
    * Stall speed: 167 km/h (90 knots, 104 mph) flaps down
    * Ferry range: 9,075 km (4,900 nmi, 5,635 mi)
    * Endurance: 18 hours
    * Service ceiling: 9,145 m (30,000 ft)
    * Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min) at 30,000 kg (66,140 lb)
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 02:27:04 am »
Andover progress report, Not much really what with working shifts and decorating the living room. Still on with the update!

Main fuselage now stuck together, and the start of sand/putty/sand etc to fair the lower sections in to get that "round" shape as against the `double bubble' of the Atlantic



Cockpit glazing fitted temporarily to allow shaping of the new nose (8 discs of plastic card sanded to shape)
Underside view showing strengtheners fitted to support the wing join. When the wings are finally cemented on I will remove the rest of the original fairing.



And some additional views showing how it might look all together ;D
Along with the box top showing what Revell had in mind should be constructed from the contents of the box :lol:.







And now the bit that I have conveniently ignored up to now; How do I do the cabin window glazing? :banghead:
Anybody got any ideas? simple would be good, I don't want to overtax my limited modelling skills :unsure:
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 03:20:45 am »
Two alternatives - Microscale KrystalKleer (which is basically PVA white glue).  The other is to simply place thin clear plastic behind the openings.
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Re: Avro "Alternate Andover" (Modified to Version 1.01!)
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 01:25:37 pm »
Two alternatives - Microscale KrystalKleer (which is basically PVA white glue).  The other is to simply place thin clear plastic behind the openings.

The openings for the cabin windows are approx 10mm diameter and I am not sure that KrystalKleer will stretch that far?
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