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« on: March 20, 2007, 10:05:34 am »
How about using C-27Js as carrier onboard delivery plane? A C-130 could land on a carrier, so why not? Or perhaps that CASA C-235?

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 10:15:03 am »
Use a C-295 (longer variant). Brilliant idea!
Mine was to use a Bizjet as COD... can you imagine a Falcon, Learjet or Gulfstream onboard Nimitz ?  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
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Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 10:20:17 am »
Learjet with extended wingtips and afterburners? Afterall, dont forget, learjet was originally designed as a strike fighter ;)
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 12:13:21 pm »
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learjet was originally designed as a strike fighter

Not quite. Lear borrowed the wing design from the FFA P-16, and designed the first Learjet (type 23) around it. That wing was used for the 23, 24 and 25. Only the 25 is still in production, it seems. Later Lear designs use a different wing.  

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 12:22:25 pm »
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learjet was originally designed as a strike fighter

Not quite. Lear borrowed the wing design from the FFA P-16, and designed the first Learjet (type 23) around it. That wing was used for the 23, 24 and 25. Only the 25 is still in production, it seems. Later Lear designs use a different wing.
Yup, but lear-25s could be used on carriers carrying LGBs, ASMs, ECMs, torpedoes or refueling gear ;)   and how about a mini awacs based on the learjet? Or a tanker?

A competitor to Scaled Composites Space Ship 2, is based on the Learjet 25. It has a rocket engine in the aft cabin.......  
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 12:29:24 pm »
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learjet was originally designed as a strike fighter

Not quite. Lear borrowed the wing design from the FFA P-16, and designed the first Learjet (type 23) around it. That wing was used for the 23, 24 and 25. Only the 25 is still in production, it seems. Later Lear designs use a different wing.
A bit of a correction here.  The P-16 wing is the basis of the wings of the Lear 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 36, 55, and 60.  Only the Lear 45 uses an all-new wing.  The Lear 35 & 36 have constant section tip extensions and the others extend the same basic structure and contours out and then form the winglets.  
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2007, 12:40:24 pm »
The Lear 25 can carry 8 passengers, say a 640 kg payload. That's not much. And that's for the civilian version. A naval version would be heavier (stronger structure) which would reduce the payload.  

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 01:40:09 pm »
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The Lear 25 can carry 8 passengers, say a 640 kg payload. That's not much. And that's for the civilian version. A naval version would be heavier (stronger structure) which would reduce the payload.
What about a lear-45?

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 03:41:10 pm »
There's many things a bizjet would do on a carrier air group.

- ASW (if the S-3 did it...). Naval Falcon "guardian" ?
- COD / VIP of course
- tanker
- EA-6 replacement (at least, standoff jamming)
- AWACS
- antiship

How difficult would it be to navalize, for example, a Falcon 20 or a Learjet ?
Can you imagine one of those sweet Gulfstreams on board a carrier ?
Pilatus or TBM-700 on board CVF ?  :wub:  :wub:  
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 04:26:01 pm »
Archie,

the idea has merit.  I've always been a fan of bizjet designs, just never wanted to make 'em in civvie colours.

Interesting possibilities.

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 04:51:05 pm »
Excellent Idea, Archi!!!
I have in my list an EMB-145ERJ in maritime surveillance suit :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2007, 05:18:35 pm »
I always thought a DHC Buffalo or Caribou with folding wings would be a great COD a/c.

Never thought about navalizing a Canadair Challenger, tho. Might be an idea !

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2007, 05:48:26 pm »
Even thou it has short legs, I've always have seen the West Wind 2 as a AEW/ASW platform





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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 08:39:30 pm »
Often thought about it, specifically a USN carrier based Learjet (as far back as the early 90's for that one).  Only thing is I doubt the airframe and gear could take one cat launch, let alone a trap.

Having said that, though, I think it was Fokker proposed a Fokker 90 as a COD/tanker at one point.  I know the BAC146 had a carrier based design proposed along with all the other abortive military variants.

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or a Piaggio P.180 Avanti



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Speaking of the Piaggio, I saw one of those climbing out of Detroit City Airport a couple years ago.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 11:50:08 pm »
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Excellent Idea, Archi!!!
I have in my list an EMB-145ERJ in maritime surveillance suit :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

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Uh, but doesnt embraer already build that one?