Mirage F1EM

[Archibald]

Some days ago I talked with PD7 about a naval, M53 Mirage F1. The trouble was this aircraft was not available until 1978. We need another plane before it...
and this plane exist, it's a little known project of 1958 which never left the drawing board.
The name of this project was Breguet 112(0) Sirocco (it was an ancestor of the Br121 which led to the Jaguar)

It was very similar to the F1, but date from 1958. Breguet was the firm bought by Dassault in 1967.

(look here, I found 3-views drawings of the two
http://myparalelworld.populus.ch/rub/8)

The two airplanes were very similar
- because they use the same engine (Atar9, 7000kgp of thrust).
- the air intakes, too, are similar
- more, the requirement were similar.
(The Sirocco was for the French carriers, the F1 for the AdA. This two services wanted a plane which landed at 120knots, instead of the 200kt of the Mirage III.
Ada wanted this capacity to oper from small runways (or roads) in case of war.
The aeronavale wanted a speed landing of 120kt because of  aircrafts carriers small decks.
The solution found by Breguet in 1958, and Dassault in 1967 was the same : a high mounted, swept wing  (instead of the delta wing).)

I thought this airplane project could be the basis of a cooperation between Breguet and BAC (yes, like the Jaguar!!!), starting in 1959.
I call it Cyclone, because this word is the same in English and French (like Concord(e) or... Jaguar.
And this plane could by the "father" of the F1EM (which is not available until 1978).

What is interesting is : in 1959, France and GB had no mach2 interceptors on their aircrafts carriers (GB had stop the SR-177 the year before). Etnedard IV and Sea Vixen were subsonic...
So, why not a cooperation, based on the Br112?
http://myparalelworld.populus.ch/rub/3

[Archibald]

to correct the dead link
here
http://myparalelworld.populus.ch/rub/8

[Bryan H.]

Some light(er)-weight American fighters and fighter-bombers that could fit in your time period might be...

NA FJ-4 Fury    (would look very nice in R.Neth.N. or RAN, etc. markings!)

Vought F-8    (would also be very nice in all sorts of non-US insignia!)

Douglas A-4 (early marks)    (armed w/ Sidewinders, a scrappy little fighter!)

Additionally, the Sea Vixen could be progressively upgraded into the late 1970's until a suitable replacement was available.  Although, subsonic she was a serviceable & credible fighter-bomber.  

Bryan

[Archibald]

Alternate Mirage III and F1

Mirage III-ADC with J-57, MG-10 and AIM-4 Falcon (something between the F-102 and the F-106)
In 1959, the plane was proposed as a cheap F-106 alternative to replace the 990
F-102.

Mirage III-BU Mirage IIIB with APQ-72 radar, AIM-7 Sparrow and J-79 engine (a low-cost competitor to the F-4B)

[Archibald]

Well I searched and I must admitted that I mentionned the Breguet 1120 sirocco eeeeeeerh... various times   .
Well this project was turning in my head for more than one year so I made a model of it...(I don't want to create anew thread for that so I resurected one old thread )

[NARSES2]

Nice looking plane there Archibald

Chris

[Archibald]

Thank you, Narses!!! It was a derivative of the 1001&1100 TAON of the OTAN competiton won by the Fiat G-91. Dassault Etendard was also in the race.
Well we could have had this plane instead of Crusaders and even Etendards IV, on the deck of the Foch and Clemenceau.
As you can see, it is very similar to a Mirage F-1...
I found the 3-view in a book on Breguets. A nice guy name Marcel Berjon scanned me the book so I send him these photos (hope he would be interested!!!)

Had this plane been built by Breguet for the Aeronavale, there had been no Jaguars and no takeover by Dassault in 1967. That's why I'm so interested by it

[Archibald]

I used a Heller Mirage F-1C as basis. The nose was changed, I used a tank from the Mirage F1 itself.
Wings were made from cardboard. I  took the 3-view, enlarged it in WORD up to the 1/72 scale (12cm span). Then, print the picture, glue it to the carboard with Loctite, raise the panels with a pen, and finnally glue it to the F-1 fuselage. Same thing for the tail...not too diffcult task, and good result!
The undercarriage comes from the Mirage F-1, but I eliminated half of the wheels (no diabolos!).
The tail hook come from my A-6 Intruder (changed into a Vendetta GR.1 nuclear bomber). As usual, Heller send me the decals for free (they come from the Super Etendard)
Now I have all the French Mach-2 of the late 50's (Mirage III, Trident II,
Mirage IV, Griffon, Leduc 022, Duandal and Breguet Sirocco...)

Just love mach-2 fighters (RAF, USAF, USN, AdA etc.)  

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Beautiful work!!!  

[Archibald]

some days ago I saw some Mirage IVs at the shop. As I made one recntly, I didn't want to buy another... but a project came back to my mind: the Mirage IVM

Yes, M stand for Marine this mean a naval Mirage IV!!! This sound incredible considering that the Foch and Clemenceau were the size of an Essex carrier, when the Vigilante could only operate from a Forrestal.
To achieve that, a bigger carrier was needed, the PA-52 Verdun. A kind of enlarged clemenceau (45000 tons intead of 32000).
but the Mirage IV had to diminish its size, too... aparently a single-seat, shortened/ lightened variant was envisaged.
Sadly, the website were I found it is temporarily  out of service
More details to follow... I thing I suffer an Aeronavale madness...
- Mach-2 E-1B (with CL-415 turboprops and E-2 markings)
- Mirage IVM
- Why not the Anigrand Skylancer in aeronavale markings? alternative to the Crusader, late 50's...
I also thought about Panthers (for the Joffre/ Painlevé/ PA-28 clemenceau, and the Korean War...)  

[Archibald]

This evening I added two R-530 AAM missiles (borrowed to the Mirage F1C) and a ventral drop tank (from the F-104C Starfighter changed into a Lancer).
The Breguet Sirocco is now ready to intercept some Tu-16 threatening the Foch and Clemenceau...

[GTX]

t was a derivative of the 1001&1100 TAON of the OTAN competiton won by the Fiat G-91

Now there is an aircraft I like - especially loved the inlet configuration:





Regards,

Greg

[Geoff_B]

This one greg ?

[Archibald]

The Breguet TAON (in french, a Taon is a big fly you can see around the cows. Its also an anagram for NATO or OTAN   )
Two protypes flew
- Breguet 1001 with a single engine (Bristol Orpheus, 3000 kgp) for OTAN LWF competion...won by the crappy Fiat G-91 for political reasons
- Breguet 1100  two Turboméca Gabizo engines (1500 kgp each) for the AdA. It lost to the Mirage II and III
(Mirage II was never achived, and had, too 2*gabizos engines).

A third version was drawn for the Aeronavale, the Breguet 1100M but it lost (once again!!) to the Etendard IV...
In fact  the very first Mirages (01, I, II) and Etendards (II, IV VI) were very similar to the Breguets Taon... they were all drawn for a LWF, transonic fighter program of the AdA which started in 1953 and ended in 1957 when the mach-2 Mirage III outclassed this kind of transonic lightweight fighters.

Concerning the Etendard, three prototypes were drawn in this era, the II, IV and VI, all with differents engines! Only the Etendard IV survived, as a naval assault plane...  
this was really a mess, because at the same time, Dassault was developing the ultimate Mysteres fighters (Mystere IVB,  SMB-1/2/4)

[GTX]

Thorvic,

That would be nice, except for the scale.  Does anyone do this in 1/48?

Regards,

Greg