General Discussion

[Wardukw]

Since finding the pic online of the machine i had in mind wasted 3hrs with zero results and my memory playing silly buggers at the best of times i'm now looking at something big ,,with a big stonking gun ,,120mm size in fact and it can either be UK or US or both .... the idea came around from another pic i found of a prototype which was never built anything past a model and with fear in mind of the super heavies which Japan had in mind being a factor this thing entered production .,,yeah this be right up my alley 

[zenrat]

No end of kamikaze whiffs we could create.
What's the Japanese for Mistel?

[Rheged]

No end of kamikaze whiffs we could create.
What's the Japanese for Mistel?

Rapidly inventing a name that sounds vaguely "Japanesish",  how about the Divine Spear  or  Kami yari  神槍  ?  Or would you prefer something poetic like the Falling Chrysanthemum Petal  Chiru kiku no hanabira  散る菊の花びら.  Other possibilities  are  the Emperor's Fist  Kōtei noken  皇帝の拳  or  the     Auspicious Dragon  Engino yoiryū  縁起の良い龍

These are merely the product of a few seconds of thought  and I'm sure that the collective musings of fellow Whiffers  (with a little help from Google translate) could produce something much better

[Old Wombat]

Challenge accepted! 

My offering;

Kaze ni mau ha  (風に舞う葉) - Leaf on the wind 

[PR19_Kit]

My concern would be how to detail the Yagi antenna.

https://flic.kr/p/2rZmEVm

Fuse wire....................   

[zenrat]

I was being lazy.
Mistel, as we all know is German for Mistletoe - the smaller aircraft being seen as a parasite on the larger.
A direct translation into Japanese gives Yadorigi.
But Rheged's and Womby's suggestions are better.

OK, onto more serious business.
Was any form of recognition marking proposed for Operation Downfall aircraft?  Something along the lines of the stripes applied for Overlord and Musketeer maybe?
If there was, or if we can agree on something, should we all endeavour to use them?
It might be nice to have some consistency across all the aircraft builds.
I'm not suggesting it is compulsory - last thing i'd do - just that IRL they probably would have had something and it could look good if we all used the same pattern/design/stripe/spots/tartan/colour.

[Old Wombat]

I was being lazy.
Mistel, as we all know is German for Mistletoe - the smaller aircraft being seen as a parasite on the larger.
A direct translation into Japanese gives Yadorigi.
But Rheged's and Womby's suggestions are better.

OK, onto more serious business.
Was any form of recognition marking proposed for Operation Downfall aircraft?  Something along the lines of the stripes applied for Overlord and Musketeer maybe?
If there was, or if we can agree on something, should we all endeavour to use them?
It might be nice to have some consistency across all the aircraft builds.
I'm not suggesting it is compulsory - last thing i'd do - just that IRL they probably would have had something and it could look good if we all used the same pattern/design/stripe/spots/tartan/colour.

Red would probably not be a good idea - almost every Army & Naval AA gunner had a Pavlovian response to even fairly small flashes of red.

Black & white could be used again, but would the Japanese be prepared & have those colours ready for their own aircraft?

Black & yellow could be chosen - pre-Musketeer, so they hadn't been used yet.

Pale blue & dark blue are unlikely, as they are the British Forces colours & the Americans wouldn't have liked that.

Medium blue & yellow might look good.

[NARSES2]

OK, onto more serious business.
Was any form of recognition marking proposed for Operation Downfall aircraft?  Something along the lines of the stripes applied for Overlord and Musketeer maybe?

You could use something similar to the white diagonal wing stripes as used by the RNZAF in the SW Pacific on their P-40's ?

[NARSES2]

No end of kamikaze whiffs we could create.

Looking for something else this morning and find I have a SH "Kikka" in the stash. So either build as intended, a kamikaze type, or modify to carry a under-fuselage 30mm cannon as a bomber destroyer ?

[scooter]

Challenge accepted! 

My offering;

Kaze ni mau ha  (風に舞う葉) - Leaf on the wind 

Watch how I soar

[Old Wombat]

OK, onto more serious business.
Was any form of recognition marking proposed for Operation Downfall aircraft?  Something along the lines of the stripes applied for Overlord and Musketeer maybe?

You could use something similar to the white diagonal wing stripes as used by the RNZAF in the SW Pacific on their P-40's ?

Could be a bit problematic, given that many of the USAAF aircraft operating in the Pacific Theatre by then were in NMF, which would make the white difficult to see.

Although 45^o diagonal stripes of black/white, black/yellow, med.blue/yellow, or whatever-else, could work.

[Old Wombat]

Challenge accepted! 

My offering;

Kaze ni mau ha  (風に舞う葉) - Leaf on the wind 

Watch how I soar

He gets it!       

[jcf]

In regards to notions expressed in the Rules topic regarding the use of Soviet supplied equipment,
particularly in reference to the Chinese Communists and the short-lived committee government of
the People's Republic of Korea taking part using Soviet gear.

In the fall of 1945 the Chinese Communists would have no way to support Soviet supplied vehicles,
they were still dedicated to guerilla warfare, and it's also doubtful that the Soviets would be willing
as they were still in the process of building up their own forces in the East. Plus Mao would have
had zero interest in invading Japan, he'd already turned his full focus to war with the Nationalists.

In regards to Korea, as of September 1945 the situation was a mess and the US already
controlled Korea south of the 38th parallel and had promptly suppressed the southern committees
of the PRK, committees that, unlike the Soviet controlled north, were not ideologically singular.
Some were controlled by left wing socialists and others by right wing nationalists with extremists
in both camps. Those on the right quickly becoming more active in the area of political violence.

Yeah, yeah I know "whifverse" etc., but getting Soviet supplied forces from either entity involved
in the invasion would require some heavy lifting in the backstory. That said, it was the Soviets
who took over control of Manchuria from the Kwantung Army, which was technically part of the
Imperial Japanese Army but the commanders had a history of operating like it was their
personal army, sometimes taking actions that were not in the best interests of the Empire.
Soldier committees take control of the Kwantung Army, imprisoning and executing the
leadership and declare themselves a free socialist force in brotherhood with the Red Army.
The new army, a force of veterans equipped with a mix of IJA and Soviet hardware, volunteers
to take part in the invasion as shocktroops to liberate Japan from Imperial control. The Allies
cynically agree as it's one way to get rid of idealists that could be a problem down the road.
They are given a minimum of support and sent into battle with ad hoc vessels, and a minimal
number of proper landing craft. Most of the assault force being unmotorized lighters and barges
pushed to shore by tugs, fishing boats and whatever else could do the job, clad in extemporized
armour of steel plates - when available, and/or timber and sandbags.

They see themselves as the Kogarashi - the strong wind that blows away leaves and withers trees,
metaphorically blowing away the Imperial State.

If anybody wants to play with the notion, you're free to do so.

[Old Wombat]

Jon, the last line in the quote below shows that Fred was refering to his own Whif Nation of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Victoria.

My reference to the Chinese was because, prior to that post, I couldn't think of anyone else who would want Soviet equipment, unless it was the only choice - &, even then, it was a long bow to draw!.

I presume the mods have no objections to builds of Soviet vehicles operated by nation states partaking in Operation Downfall?

Items supplied, perhaps, as a form of Reverse Lease Lend by the Soviet Union to the UK or USA?

Or to the Chinese Communists.

Or supplied in the spirit of socialist brotherhood to a People's Democratic Republic from the South.

[McColm]

Something similar to this, Wellington fuselage,  Halifax wings and engine nacelles, Lancaster tail and tail fins, with Rolls-Royce Griffons. These will be changed for Merlins should I be inspired by it;



https://flic.kr/p/2rZDnyY