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1/35 BTR-25 Mara

Started by frank2056, August 12, 2025, 09:36:32 PM

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frank2056

A few weeks ago, I bought three Panda Russian armor kits from a Sprue Bros. lightning deal. They were priced well over 1/2 off each.

One of the kits is the 1/35 Kurganets-25 BTR Object 693 - mid sized, compared to the other two kits in the same range ( T-15 Armata  and VPK-7289 Bumerang APC)
These can be considered "what-if"  designs - since the real tanks are unlikely to be produced in quantity; at least not like the prototypes.



The Panda kit is nicely detailed and goes together quite well, unlike the sadistic kit design common to HobbyBoss, Bronco and Gecko. The track links are in three parts and snap together - which is nice - but for this build, we aren't using tracks...

A friend over at BTS sent me an old Dragon BTR-70 a couple of years ago. It had a fraught journey to Los Angeles; the package was stolen - probably from the mailman's cart - and the thief opened the box, saw nothing of value (to them) and tossed the box into the gutter. The mailman found it the next day and delivered it, with all the parts intact.
I wanted to build the BTR-70, but decided to make it a parts donor for this build.  I cut out the wheel wells from the BTR-70 and for the first attempt, I checked to see how they looked placed against the Object 693 hull. Unfortunately, the tires would hit the large armored boxed on the sides.
Next, I cut openings into the Object 693's lower hull and fit the wheel wells. I screwed up the first cut and had to patch the gaps, but the other 7 fit reasonably well:



The tires are shiny because the old Dragon vinyl is decomposing. I was tempted to CAD and 3D print new tires to fit the Dragon rims, but timing and logistics got in the way (for now), so I have BTR-82 resin wheels on the way.

I put the upper hull onto the lower hull and taped the side armor on, and the wheels can turn without hitting the side skirts. The lower hull clearance is about the same as with the kit's track wheels in place, so that worked out. I thought about filling in all the now unused mounting holes for the suspension arms, drive and return wheels but most are invisible under the side armor or hidden by the wheels. I'll cover up what's visible.

I was going to make the four front tires turn in unison (like the Dragon kit) but it wasn't worth the effort. As of this afternoon, I have the upper and lower hulls joined and the vehicle should be ready for a primer coat in 2-3 days.

As for a backstory - the Ukrainians used the Russian design to make an ECM/Anti-drone/night hunter vehicle and called it the Mara; In Ukrainian mythology, Mara is a pre-Christian entity that appears like a bad dream to confuse minds.  It is closely related to mare in English (as in nightmare).

buzzbomb

Ooohhh ! Nice  :thumbsup:

Super nice digging on the name to get such a fitting nickname.

Old Wombat

Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Wardukw

Same as Guy ...watching..watching and enjoying 😉 ☺️
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

frank2056

This kit is moving along pretty quickly. Here's were it was early this after noon. The side armor blocks are just pressed together and taped on; they can't go on permanently until the wheels are in:



The PE for this kit is well designed and was a breeze to fold and apply:



I forgot to add the clear periscopes when I glued the hull together, so I cut them in half and squeezed the upper half in place.

Tomorrow I'll work on the turret; it may be a variant of the Bradly AFV vehicle or some similar combination.

kerick

This is begging for a digital camo scheme!
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

buzzbomb

With wheels that layout of armour blocks make it different. :thumbsup:

Although first thought through the head was the Roman Testudo formation with the wheels standing in for feet  ;D


Old Wombat

Looks very different with wheels & those big skirts but rather cool, too!  :mellow:

Quote from: frank2056 on August 13, 2025, 08:22:06 PMTomorrow I'll work on the turret; it may be a variant of the Bradly AFV vehicle or some similar combination.


Replace the TOW with radar for anti-drone op's?  :unsure:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Mossie

That's a chunky machine. Looking good.  :thumbsup:

frank2056

It looks like a big block of Cheddar on wheels. A look only a matushka (or matinka in this repurposed version) would love.

I tried a Bradley turret and it just didn't look right - maybe because it's an early Bradley. I did find a Trumpeter M242 25mm Bushmaster fluted barrel that looks good, though. I added some parts to the rear of the gun to replicate the back of the Bushmaster:



I don't want to use the Russian sensor? box on the side of the turret, so I tried the missile launcher from the Border "Apocalypse" tank - in this case, they would launch small drones - but it's too ungainly:



I'm working on some other add-ons now.

NARSES2

Quote from: buzzbomb on August 14, 2025, 02:29:31 AMAlthough first thought through the head was the Roman Testudo formation with the wheels standing in for feet  ;D


I can see where your coming from, or perhaps the war waggons of the Hussites ?
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

Wardukw

That block of cheese is looking bloody tasty matey  ;D

How's about another weapons system mounted beside the Bushmaster ,,say a 40mm MK19 AGL ,,,always brilliant at  keeping heads down when your on an assault .
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

frank2056

Phill - Like minds think alike! I have a MK19 on a mount that I can add. I've also been CADing up an active protection system (APS) that isn't Russian. I thought about adding a Trophy system, but it would just eat up too much real estate on the spaced armor. This kit has the spaces for an APS that was included in the later version of this kit. I'm drawing up an Iron Fist like launcher and some radar detectors. I'll probably add an optical head for the turret with a UV and IR laser for blinding incoming drones (and anyone dumb enough to try to fire at the tank at night)

Wardukw

Quote from: frank2056 on August 18, 2025, 10:19:37 AMPhill - Like minds think alike! I have a MK19 on a mount that I can add. I've also been CADing up an active protection system (APS) that isn't Russian. I thought about adding a Trophy system, but it would just eat up too much real estate on the spaced armor. This kit has the spaces for an APS that was included in the later version of this kit. I'm drawing up an Iron Fist like launcher and some radar detectors. I'll probably add an optical head for the turret with a UV and IR laser for blinding incoming drones (and anyone dumb enough to try to fire at the tank at night)
Yep ,,total agreement with these ideas matey ,,,an APS is never a bad idea in an era where drones are now an official weapon of war ,,..theres APS out there now which aint all that big at all ,,fact some look like smoke launchers and i've mistaken them for that before i knew what they where  ;D
The MK-19 just seemed like the best option for the job your beast is going to do ,,also makes sense that if your gonna be dropping troops on the front door step of the bad guys then pommeling em with 40 mike mike before hand would seem like a very useful addition to the pew pew pile  :wacko:
   
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

frank2056

Finally got the tires in, and I believe that they may be a minor improvement over the kit's melt-y vinyl:



I also finally got my "new" (bought in June) printer set up yesterday. It's a Saturn 4 Ultra 16K. The first print was a series of exposure calibration plates, and the second print (today) was the following parts:



I didn't fill up the build plate as I usually do, and only printed at 50um but everything printed perfectly, so I have spares.  Top to bottom are the two piece mounts for the drone launcher altitude arms (I enlarged the drive section of the Iron Fist mounts, slightly modified), the drone canisters (I figure two drones per box, so 8 total per launcher), the drone launcher boxes, the replacement imager box for the turret, the longer range? Iron Fist radars and sensors, the Iron Fist launchers (and more radars) and the base for the Iron Fist, each with two radars.

I don't have the dimensions for the actual device, so I scaled them based on some grenade launcher tubes. My interpretation is inspired on this version from Elbit Systems:



The tubes don't move, but I can cut them out to reposition.

Here are the parts, quickly assembled:



A detail of the imager for the turret. The original box (may be a radar?) is at the upper left:



The top row are a high powered UV laser and a visible/thermal telescope. In between and below is a high powered IR laser. The small box to the right is a proximity radar. The lasers can be used to blind optical systems (organic or hardware) or guide the 25mm to shoot down drones.

Here's the rough placement on the BTR-25:





I'm modifying the corners to that one pair of Iron Fist radars points straight out to the let and right of the vehicle and the other pair points forward and back. The larger radars in front and back will probably be moved.
Despite all the real estate, there's no obvious spot to put the drone launcher that doesn't interfere with something. I may add a platform that extends out from the vehicle to the rear (over the hatch) or figure out a way of adding it to the top of the gun turret. The drones are guided, so accurate pointing of the launchers doesn't matter much.

I still need to add the Mk. 19 grenade launcher for the TC.