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The Rules - Mark II

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McColm

I tried to steer clear of the Sci-fi/fantasy related whiffery and by doing so offended so many people on this site including Chris but by redefining the criteria I think bridges have been rebuilt, whilst trust has to be earned.

NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 02, 2025, 04:19:39 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on August 02, 2025, 01:23:39 AMThe full-on sci-fi ideas should be filed awaiting a(nother) Sci-Fi GB.


If Chris ever allows another one after his experiences with this one.......................  :-\

Kit the one thing I don't do is ignore GB suggestions when we come to the annual poll, even though some of them make me roll my eyes to put it mildly. All suggestions go into the first round of voting, unless they fall foul of the "not in the previous 2 years GB rule". Therefore if someone suggests Sci-Fi as a GB for next year, it will go into Round 1 because it's completely different from this current GB.
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scooter

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 01, 2025, 06:01:56 AM I think the general idea behind this GB was not to go too far down the Sci-Fi/Fantasy path (although how you define that is beyond me, which is why I really didn't want to be involved), but there's nothing in the rules that says it can't be done.
That'd be "Space Opera".

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 02, 2025, 01:23:39 AMAs I read them, what you should be looking at are real world ideas that didn't make it, or things in a similar vein using the technologies of the era(s), or near-future developments of those ideas/technologies, or current advances of RW equipment & technologies (Saturn 10 rockets launching Apollo 97, for example).

Look at some the ideas NASA had with the Apollo architecture: the Apollo Applications Program and especially the Manned Venus Flyby
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: scooter on August 02, 2025, 07:02:27 AMLook at some the ideas NASA had with the Apollo architecture: the Apollo Applications Program and especially the Manned Venus Flyby


Reading those links has you thinking TLAs for ever!  :-\
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zenrat

Last Sci Fi GB was 2017.
It's been on my list to suggest it for next year since the arguments started over this one.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere, for your convenience.

McColm

Quote from: zenrat on August 03, 2025, 05:33:41 AMLast Sci Fi GB was 2017.
It's been on my list to suggest it for next year since the arguments started over this one.


Would this include fantasy as well?

kerick

Quote from: McColm on August 03, 2025, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 03, 2025, 05:33:41 AMLast Sci Fi GB was 2017.
It's been on my list to suggest it for next year since the arguments started over this one.


Would this include fantasy as well?

I agree it's time for a broader GB. So many good ideas out there. My only question would be were do you draw a line between Sci Fi and fantasy? Anytime you have technology that someone doesn't understand it appears to be magic.
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Weaver

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Quote from: kerick on August 03, 2025, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: McColm on August 03, 2025, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 03, 2025, 05:33:41 AMLast Sci Fi GB was 2017.
It's been on my list to suggest it for next year since the arguments started over this one.


Would this include fantasy as well?

I agree it's time for a broader GB. So many good ideas out there. My only question would be were do you draw a line between Sci Fi and fantasy? Anytime you have technology that someone doesn't understand it appears to be magic.


Precisely, and a lot of the staples of "soft" sci-fi or Space Opera, such as faster-than-light travel & communication, gravity manipulation and matter transporters have little or no basis in either science or practical engineering, so they're effectively just as much "magic" as spells, curses and glamours.

For the record, despite the above, I'd be totally up for an "anything goes" sci-fi/fantasy GB in future, since people obviously have a wide range of suitable ideas that they'd like to build. One of my few useful abilities is that I can easily get my head in and out of different "reality tunnels", so I can swap from Star Wars "logic" to Game Of Thrones "logic" in a heartbeat.
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kerick

Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2025, 04:50:00 AM
Quote from: kerick on August 03, 2025, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: McColm on August 03, 2025, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 03, 2025, 05:33:41 AMLast Sci Fi GB was 2017.
It's been on my list to suggest it for next year since the arguments started over this one.


Would this include fantasy as well?

I agree it's time for a broader GB. So many good ideas out there. My only question would be were do you draw a line between Sci Fi and fantasy? Anytime you have technology that someone doesn't understand it appears to be magic.


Precisely, and a lot of the staples of "soft" sci-fi or Space Opera, such as faster-than-light travel & communication, gravity manipulation and matter transporters have little or no basis in either science or practical engineering, so they're effectively just as much "magic" as spells, curses and glamours.

For the record, despite the above, I'd be totally up for an "anything goes" sci-fi/fantasy GB in future, since people obviously have a wide range of suitable ideas that they'd like to build. One of my few useful abilities is that I can easily get my head in and out of different "reality tunnels", so I can swap from Star Wars "logic" to Game Of Thrones "logic" in a heartbeat.

I've always been puzzled by Star Wars use of anti gravity vehicles pulled by work animals. One minute someone is riding a speeder bike and the next minute someone else is riding a beast of burden. Odd.
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tahsin

Repulsorlift is supposed to be free, like the claimed Zero Energy that is supposed to fly UFOs around. Once you find a lift system it basically lifts forever. Forward motion is then supposed to be not free, so if you can no longer afford a speeder you will just catch an animal to pull. Visuals wise there are a lesser number of Westerns that have cars...

Weaver

Now there's an idea: you could get one of those (Miniart?) models of an ox towing a WWII German fighter or a trolley full of bombs, and convert it to be towing a repulsorlift <something> in Star Wars. Get creative with cantilevers and counter-balancing and you could even have the repulsorlift thingy actually hovering.
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 - Indiana Jones

Old Wombat

Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2025, 08:27:13 AMNow there's an idea: you could get one of those (Miniart?) models of an ox towing a WWII German fighter or a trolley full of bombs, and convert it to be towing a repulsorlift <something> in Star Wars. Get creative with cantilevers and counter-balancing and you could even have the repulsorlift thingy actually hovering.

And/or an "actual" repulsor field*!




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McColm

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 04, 2025, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2025, 08:27:13 AMNow there's an idea: you could get one of those (Miniart?) models of an ox towing a WWII German fighter or a trolley full of bombs, and convert it to be towing a repulsorlift <something> in Star Wars. Get creative with cantilevers and counter-balancing and you could even have the repulsorlift thingy actually hovering.

And/or an "actual" repulsor field*!




[*; Rare-earth magnets. ;) ]
Like the Maglev?

Weaver

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 04, 2025, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2025, 08:27:13 AMNow there's an idea: you could get one of those (Miniart?) models of an ox towing a WWII German fighter or a trolley full of bombs, and convert it to be towing a repulsorlift <something> in Star Wars. Get creative with cantilevers and counter-balancing and you could even have the repulsorlift thingy actually hovering.

And/or an "actual" repulsor field*!




[*; Rare-earth magnets. ;) ]



Hmmm.

You could have the platform on wire "ropes" that only allow it to swing up and down, but not go sideways, and then have repelling magnets in the platform and the base that lift it up. You'd have to get the weight of the platform right though.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

kerick

I've got some needles from an acupuncture guy that are so thin you would never see them. And they are attached to springs to give that little bit of wobble.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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