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FV 215B Tank Destroyer

Started by Wardukw, May 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PM

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Wardukw

Quote from: NARSES2 on May 30, 2025, 06:24:16 AMCheers for that info sir  :thumbsup:  The L4 gun's lack of penetration really surprises me, you'd of thought , but then ?  Must admit I was trying to work out how the poor so and so's in the turret would go about loading something that big.
Ya welcome mate  ;)
That's the thing right there Chris ..finding the mix between size and penetration is a game of poker really ...the Germans took ages but when they built the PAk 43/41 L71 88mm AT gun ,they had a damn near perfect mix of range..penetration and speed ..the problem was the fact the Germans who crewed it called it the barn door cause it was so bloody big 🙄
I do wonder what sort of performance the L4 gun would have if it fired a SABOT round ..it would have been like firing a 3in solid steel dart at a tank 😆
And again ya hit it ..the size of those rounds ..on the FV4005 ..well the first one i think it was a pretty much a manual loader..screw that ..the second prototype had this semi automatic loader but it never had a turret ..everything was exposed for testing and a completely different gun mount ..sadly it was a wicked idea but being built really to late in the world of gun developments which smaller sizes ..ammunition and barrels were turning into an extremely fine art and of course...ATGMs .
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

Quote from: Gondor on May 30, 2025, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 11:46:34 AMDuring my wee hunting session I did find something very cool 😎
The FV 4005 turret on a Conqueror chassis proposal 😁😁😁


The FV4005 is available as a kit by AFV Club and Amusing Hobby, the Conqueror is available by Dragon and Amusing Hobby, who also do a Caernavon and a BADGER

Gondor
Gondor mate I'm very aware of those kits but I'd completely forgotten about Caernavon ..now that's now 2 more I've gotta get  :banghead:  ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Gondor

Quote from: Wardukw on May 30, 2025, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: Gondor on May 30, 2025, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 11:46:34 AMDuring my wee hunting session I did find something very cool 😎
The FV 4005 turret on a Conqueror chassis proposal 😁😁😁


The FV4005 is available as a kit by AFV Club and Amusing Hobby, the Conqueror is available by Dragon and Amusing Hobby, who also do a Caernavon and a BADGER

Gondor
Gondor mate I'm very aware of those kits but I'd completely forgotten about Caernavon ..now that's now 2 more I've gotta get  :banghead:  ;D

I thought you might. It's a slippery slope going down that rabbit hole, isn't it?  ;D

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

jcf

Big guns are fun, but imagine a tank destroyer with a 200mm recoilless cannon. 

That would be an amusingly bad idea. Imagine the backblast, the opposition
would have little problem figuring out your location, no combined operations
because of the difficulty in combat of making sure no one wanders behind the
monster, starting grassfires or even forest fires.
:wacko:

Wardukw

Quote from: Gondor on May 30, 2025, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 30, 2025, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: Gondor on May 30, 2025, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 11:46:34 AMDuring my wee hunting session I did find something very cool 😎
The FV 4005 turret on a Conqueror chassis proposal 😁😁😁


The FV4005 is available as a kit by AFV Club and Amusing Hobby, the Conqueror is available by Dragon and Amusing Hobby, who also do a Caernavon and a BADGER

Gondor
Gondor mate I'm very aware of those kits but I'd completely forgotten about Caernavon ..now that's now 2 more I've gotta get  :banghead:  ;D

I thought you might. It's a slippery slope going down that rabbit hole, isn't it?  ;D

Gondor
😆 🤣  ...oh so so slippery bud 😁
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

Quote from: jcf on May 30, 2025, 12:19:09 PMBig guns are fun, but imagine a tank destroyer with a 200mm recoilless cannon.

Thatwould be an amusingly bad idea. Imagine the backblast, the opposition
would have little problem figuring out your location, no combined operations
because of the difficulty in combat of making sure no one wanders behind the
monster, starting grassfires or even forest fires.
:wacko:

Jon believe it but the Brits did exactly that in 1944 with a 9.5in recoilless rifle and they nicknamed  "Ardeer Aggie," .
It was built as a replacement for the Churchill AVRE with it being much more powerful than the Petard mortar .
Guess what it's primary issues where 😆
Pretty much exactly what you said  :thumbsup:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

#21
Rightv..well technically it's completely built ..just got ta add a few things..a couple of fuel cans ..changing the 50cal to an old Tamiya one and thinking of adding a commander..not sure tho 🤔

There wasn't an building today as I went to Auckland to help a mate fix his daughters car ..a pretty good day 😊
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

jcf

Quote from: Wardukw on May 30, 2025, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: jcf on May 30, 2025, 12:19:09 PMBig guns are fun, but imagine a tank destroyer with a 200mm recoilless cannon.

Thatwould be an amusingly bad idea. Imagine the backblast, the opposition
would have little problem figuring out your location, no combined operations
because of the difficulty in combat of making sure no one wanders behind the
monster, starting grassfires or even forest fires.
:wacko:

Jon believe it but the Brits did exactly that in 1944 with a 9.5in recoilless rifle and they nicknamed  "Ardeer Aggie," .
It was built as a replacement for the Churchill AVRE with it being much more powerful than the Petard mortar .
Guess what it's primary issues where 😆
Pretty much exactly what you said  :thumbsup:
Yes, however I'm thinking something on the lines of the 75 and 105mm US recoilless rifles, enlarged to a silly size and rifled not smoothbore. HESH, HEAT, APDS, general purpose HE and bomblet cluster round options. 
;D

Wardukw

Quote from: jcf on June 02, 2025, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 30, 2025, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: jcf on May 30, 2025, 12:19:09 PMBig guns are fun, but imagine a tank destroyer with a 200mm recoilless cannon.

Thatwould be an amusingly bad idea. Imagine the backblast, the opposition
would have little problem figuring out your location, no combined operations
because of the difficulty in combat of making sure no one wanders behind the
monster, starting grassfires or even forest fires.
:wacko:

Jon believe it but the Brits did exactly that in 1944 with a 9.5in recoilless rifle and they nicknamed  "Ardeer Aggie," .
It was built as a replacement for the Churchill AVRE with it being much more powerful than the Petard mortar .
Guess what it's primary issues where 😆
Pretty much exactly what you said  :thumbsup:
Yes, however I'm thinking something on the lines of the 75 and 105mm US recoilless rifles, enlarged to a silly size and rifled not smoothbore. HESH, HEAT, APDS, general purpose HE and bomblet cluster round options.
;D
Take it your talking along the lines of a ONTOS but more refined  ;D
It would ne English after all 😆
And yep..damn if have been different and rather cool I'd think 🤔 😅
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

First colour is done ..second on today ..should be different but look quite cool 😎
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

Well its painted and hoping beyond hope to be able to finish the rest of the painting today 🙏
Life keeps interrupting my build..right now I'm installing new tail lights to a mates boat so he can get his warrant of fitness..or WOF as we call it here but at this very moment it's absolutely pissing down  :banghead:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

Chris mate could ya please flick this over to the Armour section...there's no way this is getting finished now for this GB 😑
Thanks mate 👍
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

NARSES2

Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

Wardukw

If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .