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FV 215B Tank Destroyer

Started by Wardukw, May 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PM

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Wardukw

Here's number 4 lads 😉

The British Conqueror based FV 216B (183) tank destroyer...a bad idea if there ever was one 😳.
Hugely heavy with a stupidly large gun of a 183mm and proposed at a time when AT missiles were really starting to come of age .
This will be a OTB build so it's gonna be quite fast and it's going to be easy 😌

I'll post the start pics and such when it stops raining  ;D
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Wardukw on May 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PMThis will be a OTB build so it's gonna be quite fast and it's going to be easy 😌


Having seen a Conqueror a few times, it'll also be BIG!  :o
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It will be easy until the Advanced Modeler Syndrome hits you! :wacko:
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Wardukw

Well like I said..easy ..it's 85% built now ..entire lower hull is done ..tracks are click together individual links and go together pretty damn quickly.
I'll finish the turret tomorrow probably and the tracks and I'll post pics of it with a Conqueror tank and the proposed Badger assault gun ..another Conqueror based vehicle   :o
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

buzzbomb

If its the Amusing Hobby version, it goes ok and looks the part. Got one on the shelf as well

 :thumbsup:

Wardukw

Quote from: buzzbomb on May 29, 2025, 12:11:19 AMIf its the Amusing Hobby version, it goes ok and looks the part. Got one on the shelf as well

 :thumbsup:
Bang on the money Brian mate  ;D
I've got 4 Conquerors of sorts ..three are Amusing Hobby..this one ..the Badger and a super Conqueror and a absolute steal.. a Accurate Armour full resin Conqueror  Mk1  ;)   ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

buzzbomb

Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: buzzbomb on May 29, 2025, 12:11:19 AMIf its the Amusing Hobby version, it goes ok and looks the part. Got one on the shelf as well

 :thumbsup:
Bang on the money Brian mate  ;D
I've got 4 Conquerors of sorts ..three are Amusing Hobby..this one ..the Badger and a super Conqueror and a absolute steal.. a Accurate Armour full resin Conqueror  Mk1  ;)   ;D

Done the AA version as well. Looks better than the Amusing jobbies, the detail is crisper, IMHO.

NARSES2

Quote from: Wardukw on May 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PMHugely heavy with a stupidly large gun of a 183mm and proposed at a time when AT missiles were really starting to come of age .


There's no such thing as a gun that's too big  ;) Anyway I'd dispute the second half of that sentence. Were AT missiles starting to come of age then ? Were they actually usable in a scenario where the Soviets launched a massive tank attack ? A lot of the footage I've seen they look very clumsy to handle and use  even when no one is shooting at you.
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Wardukw

Quote from: buzzbomb on May 29, 2025, 05:20:49 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: buzzbomb on May 29, 2025, 12:11:19 AMIf its the Amusing Hobby version, it goes ok and looks the part. Got one on the shelf as well

 :thumbsup:
Bang on the money Brian mate  ;D
I've got 4 Conquerors of sorts ..three are Amusing Hobby..this one ..the Badger and a super Conqueror and a absolute steal.. a Accurate Armour full resin Conqueror  Mk1  ;)   ;D

Done the AA version as well. Looks better than the Amusing jobbies, the detail is crisper, IMHO.
The AA one I scored for $40 nz ..it was already built and not very well to be honest..it needs it's tracks replaced but I'm gonna try and see if they can be torn apart and cleaned up and rebuilt ..also the turret needs work as it doesn't sit in the hull very well at all ...but still ..very yummy 😋 😋 😆
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

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Quote from: NARSES2 on May 29, 2025, 06:20:02 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on May 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PMHugely heavy with a stupidly large gun of a 183mm and proposed at a time when AT missiles were really starting to come of age .


There's no such thing as a gun that's too big  ;) Anyway I'd dispute the second half of that sentence. Were AT missiles starting to come of age then ? Were they actually usable in a scenario where the Soviets launched a massive tank attack ? A lot of the footage I've seen they look very clumsy to handle and use  even when no one is shooting at you.
Oh don't get me wrong matey ..I love a big gun on a tracked chassis 😁
The thing about the 183 mm Tank, L4 Gun was definitely powerful ..extremely powerful but 😆
It's accuracy past 2000 mtrs was very bad ..the size and weight of the rds made em extremely difficult to use..the projectile alone was nearly 800mm long..the shell nearly 700mm
Here's some stats I just nicked from the Tank Museum.
The projectile weighed 145lb (65.8kg) and was 29 ¾" (76cm) long. The case, containing the propellant, added 67.75lb (30.7kg) and 26.85" (68cm) ..yet for all its size and power it could only penetrant 150mm ( 6ins) of armour at 2000 yards.. a little while later the British L7 105mm guns could penetrant more armour at 1000 mtrs with later versions able to penetrant over 500mm or armour at 2kms .
Mean while the ATGM crowd were quite busy ..in the early 50s the French brought out the Nord SS10 ..the russians brought out the At3 Sagger .
Yep the range wasn't that great.only being about 500mtrs to 1500 mtrs  but the armour penetration spoke for itself with the Nord punching 300mm and the Sagger at 420mm ..didn't take much time at all..couple of yrs in fact for these missiles to be able to kill armoured vehicles at 3000 mtrs and punch through 500mm of armour .
During my wee hunting session I did find something very cool 😎
The FV 4005 turret on a Conqueror chassis proposal 😁😁😁
Chris mate..im really like that 😂
Looks like I'm gonna have to do some serious scratch building at some point 👉 👈 😳😏
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

Well the speedy build tracks has taken a bit of a slow down ..these don't click together as much as break the pins so the tracks won't stay together.
To fix this issue I'm drilling out every pin with a .5mm drill and pinning em with half mil brass wire ...so far so good 👍
One top run of tracks is done ..only 3 more to go  :wacko:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

NARSES2

Cheers for that info sir  :thumbsup:  The L4 gun's lack of penetration really surprises me, you'd of thought , but then ?  Must admit I was trying to work out how the poor so and so's in the turret would go about loading something that big.
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Gondor

Quote from: Wardukw on May 29, 2025, 11:46:34 AMDuring my wee hunting session I did find something very cool 😎
The FV 4005 turret on a Conqueror chassis proposal 😁😁😁


The FV4005 is available as a kit by AFV Club and Amusing Hobby, the Conqueror is available by Dragon and Amusing Hobby, who also do a Caernavon and a BADGER

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