The English Electric Dalgety, the 'Just in case' project. - DONE!

[PR19_Kit]

They were from a Mach2 Atlantic, Kit.

Ah right, I'd forgotten the Atlantic used Tynes too, thanks.

[Wardukw]

Ahhh yes all very true but with mine being a B-57 the pilots sit behind each other not side by side and I'm working on the principle that there's plenty of room 

The only Canberra which has side by side crew are the T4s, and they wish they WEREN'T side by side as there's no room in there at all!

Normally the pilot sits up front, but off to port a bit, and the radio-operator sits behind him, with the nav-bomb aimer on his right. He has to wriggle past the pilot to lie on the bomb aiming couch to earn his combat pay. For the B(I)8 the crew's in the same positions as the earlier types, but it just looks as if the pilot's offset to port. He's actually in exactly the same position as he is in the B2/6.

In the PR9s, the nav sits right in he nose, under a frangible hatch so his bang seat can get him clear, but on the other PR variants, the 3 and 7, the nose is empty of crew, they're behind the pilot as in the bombers.

Maybe for a whiffed B-57 you could move the nose gear forward of the front cockpit bulkhead, as it has no crew members, bomb aiming or otherwise, in that space.

By the sound of that Kit space is something there was a very small amount of and it sounds even more like my 6'2 frame would not fit in one  with any amount of comfort 

What I'm thinking is basically exactly what you suggested..forward of the front cockpit bulkhead and have the nose gear fold forward instead of backwards 🤔.
I had also completely forgot the shape of the 57's nose ..whish is quite alot more pointed than the English Canberra so something will have to done to give me more room ..the fun part will be the extension as all my stash jet birds have either sharp or very sharp noses but I'm thinking .

I used a piece of dowel when I constructed my Maritime Recce turbo-prop version of the Canberra.

Brian mate 👌 👍 👏 🙌 💙
That's a beautiful looking model and super sleak ..love it 😀 😀

[PR19_Kit]

Space in a Canberra was at a premium, yes.

Here's a couple of pics I took at the Avro Heritage Museum a short while ago.



The visible entrance hatch is the only way in and out normally, and the next pic is taken through the hatch and looking up to the left, toward that one window in the fuselage side.



That's the Nav/Bomb aimer's seat you're looking at and the radio operator's seat is just visible to its right. A tad cramped I'd say......

[scooter]

That's the Nav/Bomb aimer's seat you're looking at and the radio operator's seat is just visible to its right. A tad cramped I'd say......

Well...that's one way to make really close friends.  

[Wardukw]

Space in a Canberra was at a premium, yes.

Here's a couple of pics I took at the Avro Heritage Museum a short while ago.



The visible entrance hatch is the only way in and out normally, and the next pic is taken through the hatch and looking up to the left, toward that one window in the fuselage side.



That's the Nav/Bomb aimer's seat you're looking at and the radio operator's seat is just visible to its right. A tad cramped I'd say......

Damn that's a tight place 😳
I might be ok as the pilot but mate I wouldn't even get my shoulders into either of those other two positions Kit.
Obviously crew comfort wasn't in the design brief.

[PR19_Kit]

Petter was into getting as much as possible out of a small an airframe as possible. He designed the Gnat after doing the Canberra..................

[andrewj]

Nice Kit , well thought out and executed , reminds me off my own Canberre BI G from several years ago .







Andrew

[PR19_Kit]

Oooooh, I like that. Contra-props too! 

Engines from a Frog Shackleton perhaps?

[andrewj]

Indeed Kit the original concept was to use Griffon power eggs , ala Shackleton , However , could noB find any in 1/48 so these ar scratchbult .
          backstory was very similar to yours , late delivery , teething problems with the early jet engines led the designers to use a prop engine to at least get some airframes into testing and trials . Shackleton "power egg " meant the minimum of changes to the airframe ,needed no extensive cooling and plumbing , it mostly be-ing containded in the "power egg" .
       Having very little structural changes to the airframe also made it comparatively easy to refit the designed powerplants when they became availible .It also allowed the fitting of small rocket boosters in the rear nacelles to give increased height and speed over target when nescessay .


Andrew

[PR19_Kit]

Ahah, THAT'S why you kept the exhaust ducts! Nice one. 

[Wardukw]

Petter was into getting as much as possible out of a small an airframe as possible. He designed the Gnat after doing the Canberra..................

I'd would have liked to take this Petter dude and stuff him in the tightest seat of the Canberra and then make him stay there for a few hours and see if he's comfy 😉 😀
It's like when I sat in that F-86..without a helmet or parachute my head was like a inch away from the canopy..im definitely far to big 🙃 😅

[Old Wombat]

Petter was into getting as much as possible out of a small an airframe as possible. He designed the Gnat after doing the Canberra..................

I'd would have liked to take this Petter dude and stuff him in the tightest seat of the Canberra and then make him stay there for a few hours and see if he's comfy 😉 😀
It's like when I sat in that F-86..without a helmet or parachute my head was like a inch away from the canopy..im definitely far to big 🙃 😅

At 6' 2" you & I are both too tall, even for modern fighters.

Can't remember exactly but the F/A-18 has a max. pilot height of about 5' 10"-5' 11".

[Wardukw]

Petter was into getting as much as possible out of a small an airframe as possible. He designed the Gnat after doing the Canberra..................

I'd would have liked to take this Petter dude and stuff him in the tightest seat of the Canberra and then make him stay there for a few hours and see if he's comfy 😉 😀
It's like when I sat in that F-86..without a helmet or parachute my head was like a inch away from the canopy..im definitely far to big 🙃 😅

At 6' 2" you & I are both too tall, even for modern fighters.

Can't remember exactly but the F/A-18 has a max. pilot height of about 5' 10"-5' 11".

Guess it's bombers or flying gas stations for us mate 🙂
Guess in away me being a mud monkey and not trying to be a jet jockey was the way to go ..course there's always choppers ...I like choppers 

[PR19_Kit]

At 6' 2" you & I are both too tall, even for modern fighters.

Can't remember exactly but the F/A-18 has a max. pilot height of about 5' 10"-5' 11".

You wouldn't have got into a Gnat either, I think they had an upper limit of 5'1" as well.

It's not just the actual height that limits you these days. I got to sit in the front seat of a 617 Sqdn. Tornado GR4 once, and even wearing my normal clothes and with the seat as far back as it would go, my knees were UNDER the edge of the panel! If I'd had to eject I'd have lost both lower legs I reckon! 

[Wardukw]

I know one thing for certain about short pilots and its a thing they have over tall pilots ..the ability to withstand high G forces .
What also helps is muscle mass ..the ability to be able to force blood back up to the head during high g maneuvers is easier for shorter dudes dew to distance the blood has to travel ..yep  G suits of course help a ton but they don't completely stop the problem of high G black out .