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LeA Mirage IIIVB - FINISHED!

Started by Weaver, March 01, 2025, 04:46:02 AM

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Wardukw

😆 🤣 😂
Ya think if this was upside-down it would take off like a rocket 🚀 😂
This is so much a bad idea it's brilliant 👏 😀
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Weaver

Two steps forward, step-and-a-half back... :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Having finally got the health, the time and the mojo lined up, I then had the last week taken off me by Events ("events, dear boy, events..."). Finally got back to it last night, and found that I couldn't sand the massive step between the forward fuselage and the wing carry-through, because the fuselage is totally unsupported at that point and just flexed up and down. That meant I had to pull the wings off again, which was pathetically easy since they barely touch the fuselage at any point.

I then had to put a big pillar inside to prop up the forward fuselage: I swear this build should be sponsored by Evergreen: there's enough in the forward fuselage that it probably won't need nose-weight. So it's back in it's Lego jig again...

On the up side, I did get the dorsal intake on and filled and a few other bits, although there will be a TON more filling to do once the wing's dried. Again.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

zenrat

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

steelpillow

Well well well, Airfix Harrier and Mirage IV. Mine uses the P.1127 kit instead of a proper Harrier, so I had to bulk the fuselage out a bit. And it was/is supposed to be a Good Idea: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=52928
Race you to be last to finish it.
Cheers.

Weaver

Quote from: steelpillow on May 25, 2025, 03:14:29 PMWell well well, Airfix Harrier and Mirage IV. Mine uses the P.1127 kit instead of a proper Harrier, so I had to bulk the fuselage out a bit. And it was/is supposed to be a Good Idea: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=52928
Race you to be last to finish it.

You're doing a hell of a lot more work than I am!  :thumbsup:

IIRC they did study a tailless delta Harrier, and a V-tailed one was looked at more than once too.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Weaver

Undercoat on.

Wanting at least two shades of silver for an NMF finish, I bought two spray cans of allegedly different aluminiumish paint, but they're indistinguishable in use. So now I'm going to try pre-shading: undercoat in white, then mask some panels, then undercoat in black, then spray the silver. Don't know if it it'll work or not since it's coming out of a can. If it doesn't work, I'll have to either hand-paint the "differently silver" panels or get the airbrush out.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Wardukw

Keep at it Harold mate ..I want to see this  ;D  ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

steelpillow

Quote from: Weaver on May 26, 2025, 05:11:43 PMIIRC they did study a tailless delta Harrier, and a V-tailed one was looked at more than once too.
Kingston design office studied many variants over many years, from the Hawker days to the BAe incarnation. Eventually they came up with the P. 1216, a three-nozzle design (Harrier cold end, F-35 hot end) with twin tailbooms and split tailplane (i.e. outside the booms not inside). Intake was F-16 style belly type. Carbon composite wings aeroelastically tailored so the booms twisted to enhance the elevator action and reduce their size and weight. Built a mock-up and showed it to PM Margaret Thatcher. But Warton had just come up with the EAP air-superiority design, and the UK could not afford to develop both. Someone in Whitehall tossed a coin and the superharrier lost out to what became the Typhoon.
I have Mike Pryce's book on its development, and have worked up a 1:72 scale 3-view. But the scratchbuild/kitbash whiff is sadly still over the horizon.
Cheers.

PR19_Kit

Didn't Fantastic Plastic do a kit of the P.1216 at one stage?

OGL has done one for sure, and I think I've seen more than one more in the Project Cancelled displays at times.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Weaver

Quote from: steelpillow on May 27, 2025, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: Weaver on May 26, 2025, 05:11:43 PMIIRC they did study a tailless delta Harrier, and a V-tailed one was looked at more than once too.
Kingston design office studied many variants over many years, from the Hawker days to the BAe incarnation. Eventually they came up with the P. 1216, a three-nozzle design (Harrier cold end, F-35 hot end) with twin tailbooms and split tailplane (i.e. outside the booms not inside). Intake was F-16 style belly type. Carbon composite wings aeroelastically tailored so the booms twisted to enhance the elevator action and reduce their size and weight. Built a mock-up and showed it to PM Margaret Thatcher. But Warton had just come up with the EAP air-superiority design, and the UK could not afford to develop both. Someone in Whitehall tossed a coin and the superharrier lost out to what became the Typhoon.
I have Mike Pryce's book on its development, and have worked up a 1:72 scale 3-view. But the scratchbuild/kitbash whiff is sadly still over the horizon.


Yep, I've got the same book.

Another thing in Warton's favour was that their design looked likely to become an international project (The Germans were working on similar concepts), with perceived political benefits and the prospect of sharing development costs, whereas the P.1216 would have to be a purely British effort.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Mossie

Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 27, 2025, 04:44:29 AMDidn't Fantastic Plastic do a kit of the P.1216 at one stage?

OGL has done one for sure, and I think I've seen more than one more in the Project Cancelled displays at times.

Fantastic Plastic did the P.1214, the forward swept wing version. Looks like a star.

Weaver

#41
Undercoats on. Ignore the sticks on the tail and under the wings: they're just stopping RCS ports getting clogged with paint. The nose is still off because I need somewhere to put a support stick, the usual jetpipe not being available.





And before somebody says it, no, it's not staying in the black and white: the silver coat is already on.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

zenrat

Shame, I quite like that scheme.  It has "Anderson" vibes.
 :thumbsup:
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Weaver

Quote from: zenrat on May 28, 2025, 05:27:28 AMShame, I quite like that scheme.  It has "Anderson" vibes.
 :thumbsup:

Yeah, but it's a 1960s V/STOL prototype: it's 100% going to be bare metal to save weight.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Weaver

#44
Not going well.

The first coat of silver dried "grainy" despite the fact that on the test run I did, it came out glossy. I suspect this was due to me spraying from too far away in an attempt to make the coat lighter. I've just given it a second, heavier coat from close up and that looks smoother, so we'll see.

Even with the first coat though, the black and white undercoat didn't make a blind bit of difference. I think I'm going to have to hand-paint some different shades of silver on it. Also, the silver paint seems to have reacted with either the white undercoat or some residue left by the masking tape. This MIGHT be passed off as a different texture in itself, or might just look rubbish. Again, we'll see.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones