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Martin B-51 Master - SORTED!

Started by PR19_Kit, December 20, 2023, 03:31:16 AM

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Wardukw

With the effort ya put into this Kit the results are well worth it ,,great work mate  ;D  :thumbsup:

With those bloody annoying outriggers have ya though about making new ones out of thin brass rod ?
It's easy to work with and ten times stronger than plastic without doing any math at all  :lol:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Wardukw on October 19, 2025, 05:20:35 PMWith those bloody annoying outriggers have ya though about making new ones out of thin brass rod ?
It's easy to work with and ten times stronger than plastic without doing any math at all  :lol:


Yes, but attaching said rod to the TINY wheels would be a real pain I'm sure. But I'll have to do something as the model's going to be at Telford and I doubt the wheels will survive the trip.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

PR19_Kit

Quote from: jcf on October 19, 2025, 05:07:59 PMThe anhedral is stated in the description on the Wikipedia page and the more detailed
piece on Bill Pearce's Old Machine Press:
Martin XB-51 Attack Bomber


I repeat 'It's a pity Miko Mir don't mention the 6 degrees in the instructions'. Not everyone has those resources to hand and it's a vital part of the build, but you don't find that out till adding the balancer wheels, and that's almost the last step in the instructions.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Wardukw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 19, 2025, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Wardukw on October 19, 2025, 05:20:35 PMWith those bloody annoying outriggers have ya though about making new ones out of thin brass rod ?
It's easy to work with and ten times stronger than plastic without doing any math at all  :lol:


Yes, but attaching said rod to the TINY wheels would be a real pain I'm sure. But I'll have to do something as the model's going to be at Telford and I doubt the wheels will survive the trip.
If ya can drill a hole like .3mm and with a good tensile brass wire you could bend a °90 angle and work from there 😉
K&S metals brass rod is bloody good to work with ..ive even used it to fix a cars door handle mechanism  ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

HarryPhishnuts

No Matter Where You Go, There You Are - Buckaroo Banzai

Dizzyfugu

Cool build - kind of an Anti-Canberra!  :thumbsup:

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 20, 2025, 07:49:47 AMCool build - kind of an Anti-Canberra!  :thumbsup:


EXACTLY how I thought of it Thomas!  :thumbsup:  Great minds etc.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

philp

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2025, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 20, 2025, 07:49:47 AMCool build - kind of an Anti-Canberra!  :thumbsup:


EXACTLY how I thought of it Thomas!  :thumbsup:  Great minds etc.  ;D

It did compete with the Canberra for the USAF decision which ended with us getting the B-57.
Phil Peterson
US SIG Leader

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PR19_Kit

Oh sure, which is why I picked it for an RAF 'Canberra Equivalent'.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Weaver

It looks great Kit!

Maybe for the backstory, the UK could put more effort into it's nuclear weapons program andless into aircraft, hence why they had to buy a US bomber to drop a British nuke.


Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 19, 2025, 11:05:56 PMYes, but attaching said rod to the TINY wheels would be a real pain I'm sure. But I'll have to do something as the model's going to be at Telford and I doubt the wheels will survive the trip.

Don't you normally "drown" your models in a big box of foam packing peanuts? Maybe for this one, make a proper transport base for it out of foam sheet and cocktail sticks. That way you can position supporting "buttresses" under each wing that take the weight off the outriggers, and then "peg" the fuselage with cocktail sticks so that it doesn't move.
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Dizzyfugu

Quote from: philp on October 20, 2025, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2025, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 20, 2025, 07:49:47 AMCool build - kind of an Anti-Canberra!  :thumbsup:


EXACTLY how I thought of it Thomas!  :thumbsup:  Great minds etc.  ;D

It did compete with the Canberra for the USAF decision which ended with us getting the B-57.



...but not without major mods, esp. the tandem cockpit which finds here a kind or reniassance in UK. Nice twist. :lol:

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Weaver on October 20, 2025, 04:13:00 PMMaybe for the backstory, the UK could put more effort into it's nuclear weapons program andless into aircraft, hence why they had to buy a US bomber to drop a British nuke.


The one I've got half written is something like that, 'more strings to our bow' etc.

Quote from: Weaver on October 20, 2025, 04:13:00 PMDon't you normally "drown" your models in a big box of foam packing peanuts? Maybe for this one, make a proper transport base for it out of foam sheet and cocktail sticks. That way you can position supporting "buttresses" under each wing that take the weight off the outriggers, and then "peg" the fuselage with cocktail sticks so that it doesn't move.


Something like that, yes. I use the foam chips from cushion filling to carry my collection around in normally.

You're dead right, I will need to do something special for the Master, with supports under the wings themselves, leaving the outriggers clear of the surface.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kerick

I use blocks of upholstery foam in small chunks placed under the wings or fuselage. Any place that has the smallest amount of parts to break off. The upholstery foam has just the right amount of "bounce" to it.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

PR19_Kit

That's the stuff I use chips of to carry my collection around, but in small pieces of course.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Charlie_c67

Maybe some rubber foam lined Lego to help hold it to the bottom of the box and reduce/stop movement within?
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