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Offline McColm

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British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« on: December 11, 2020, 02:19:14 pm »
Apparently British Rail did file a patent for a flying saucer and there are several videos on YouTube about this subject. I'm not too sure if they thought that the railways would be obsolete when the Starship entered service but the original purpose was a heavy lifting crane which kept getting bits added on the design.
 It was supposed to be powered by a nuclear reactor,  the Americans and the Russians were interested in fitting a nuclear reactor in aircraft. The Russians actually did this but the crew suffered from radiation sickness.
Well if they work in submarines then a Starship shouldn't be a problem,  of course health and safety would be a major hurdle to overcome but if British Rail managed to overcome all the technical difficulties, I wonder what it would have looked like?
 Would the passenger seats revolve like the restaurant at the Post Office Tower or look like something from Star Trek? Or something Thunderbirds had a go at?
Maybe Kit would know?
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2020, 02:27:40 pm »
Oh goodness, not Charles Fredericks' brain storms AGAIN!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

He was the Assistant Director of Research, but unfortunately he must have missed the bit about 'R ailways' in his title................
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2020, 03:20:54 pm »
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2020, 02:27:40 pm
Oh goodness, not Charles Fredericks' brain storms AGAIN!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

He was the Assistant Director of Research, but unfortunately he must have missed the bit about 'R ailways' in his title................

Take that as a yes, He knows......................................
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2020, 04:41:54 pm »
He didn't want to miss out on the burgeoning galactic market.  ;D



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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2020, 10:19:30 pm »
It was the only way British Rails catering could be described as out of this world
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2020, 01:49:08 am »
This one turns up here every so often.   Last sighting of the BR flying saucer was this :-https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=48225.msg893328#msg893328
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2020, 03:19:56 am »
Almost every time I mention that I worked for BR R&D Division in the 70s people say 'Oh, did you have anything to do with the nuclear powered Flying Saucer?'

AAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

For the record, the answer's NO!
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 03:34:25 am »
 :wacko: You would say that , official secrets act and all that  :angel:
« Last Edit: December 12, 2020, 04:06:34 am by tigercat »
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2020, 03:37:23 am »
Yeah Kit.  You can tell us the truth.  It won't go any further.  Promise.   :mellow:
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2020, 03:57:55 am »
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 12, 2020, 03:19:56 am
Almost every time I mention that I worked for BR R&D Division in the 70s people say 'Oh, did you have anything to do with the nuclear powered Flying Saucer?'

AAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

For the record, the answer's NO!

Not to 'pile on', but is that why you never whiffed up a model or 'artist's impression? of one?  I can't even imagine - yet! - how it'd look ... not like a conventional train, I'm thinking ...
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2020, 04:01:23 am »
There's a 'drawing' of it in Charles Fredericks' patent application IIRC.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2020, 04:08:29 am »
It's probably tucked away alongside the Strategic Steam Reserve in some abandoned WW2 base somewhere

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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2020, 04:58:00 am »
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2020, 03:05:04 am »
it makes sense.  In the 30s didnt the rail companies have an air service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Air_Services

I could see the flying saucers doing the same, except fly from Alphe Centuri to London Gatwick Space and Rail portal at light speed then take 90mins to go the 50miles to Littlehampton...
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Re: British Rail Starship, don't laugh there was a patent for this!
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2020, 10:12:19 am »
Although not a Rail Air Service,  Waterloo Station did have a heliport for BAE to and from London Heathrow Airport during the 1950s. It was discounted once the rail service was introduced.
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