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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2019, 10:43:01 am »
A very interesting pic that, taken from the other side to the one I saw.

What are the two stores on the starboard outer pylon though? The lower one looks like a 'winder with its forward fins missing.

Not sure which you mean, but the stores are:

Fuselage stations: ALARM
Sidewinder pylons: ASRAAMs
Inner wing pylons: 230 gal GR.1 drop tanks (NOT the usual 'Hindenburger' tanks seen on the F.3)
Starboard outer: PHIMAT chaff/flare pod
Port outer: BOZ chaff flare pod

I don't know why it carried two different chaff/flare pods.

That's because the BOZ pod is actually carrying a Towed Radar Decoy

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2019, 04:23:36 pm »
A very interesting pic that, taken from the other side to the one I saw.

What are the two stores on the starboard outer pylon though? The lower one looks like a 'winder with its forward fins missing.

Not sure which you mean, but the stores are:

Fuselage stations: ALARM
Sidewinder pylons: ASRAAMs
Inner wing pylons: 230 gal GR.1 drop tanks (NOT the usual 'Hindenburger' tanks seen on the F.3)
Starboard outer: PHIMAT chaff/flare pod
Port outer: BOZ chaff flare pod

I don't know why it carried two different chaff/flare pods.

That's because the BOZ pod is actually carrying a Towed Radar Decoy

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #107 on: January 24, 2019, 01:35:39 am »
Those ALARM mountings are remarkably cumbersome; big generic pylon and then specific ALARM adapter.  Must be draggy.

Starboard outer is even worse!  I wonder how many Mach points that knocks off.

Can't they get someone to design nice integrated pylons?  I remember a company doing that for Sidewinder and making a mint.

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #108 on: January 24, 2019, 02:48:15 am »
Those ALARM mountings are remarkably cumbersome; big generic pylon and then specific ALARM adapter.  Must be draggy.

Starboard outer is even worse!  I wonder how many Mach points that knocks off.

Can't they get someone to design nice integrated pylons?  I remember a company doing that for Sidewinder and making a mint.

From what I remember those mounts were only used on the under fuselage pylons, when mounted either where the ASRAM or fuel tanks are they just used a shoe

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2019, 02:58:04 am »
I think there's some issue with firing missiles straight forward off the belly pylons. The ALARM adaptors are angled downwards slightly, and the Brimstone ones even more so. The belly pylons are very shallow and were originally intended mainly for bombs, so perhaps missiles fired straight from them are at risk of hitting the forward fuselage?


Brimstones on a GR.4 - look at the angle, especially the rear ones!



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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2019, 07:01:15 am »
Do they actually fire them direct off the pylons?

My employers made a LOT of money developing a plastic programmer used on drop test machines to simulate the firing pulse of the cartridges that the pylons have to project the missiles clear of the pylon after the drop.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #111 on: January 24, 2019, 07:37:29 am »
I can't find any info to confirm it, but I THINK the ALARM fires off a rail, not ejected before ignition.  The pylon doesn't seem to have the warning triangle usually found on UK aircraft if the pylon has the pyrotechnics to eject the store.  Plus it was carried on the shoulder pylons in place of Sidewinders, indicating a rail launch. 
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #112 on: January 24, 2019, 07:48:31 am »
So I have the revel Fin... 1/72 scale and it's lovely... but I need suggestions for a color scheme.

Green and grey seem overdone... Grey is just, blah.

Anyone?

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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2019, 07:59:11 am »
So I have the revel Fin... 1/72 scale and it's lovely... but I need suggestions for a color scheme.

Green and grey seem overdone... Grey is just, blah.

Anyone?

Assume that the  USAF did adopt the Tornado as the F24 .  This allows you USAAF pre 1939 blue and yellow as their Tornado retirement special.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2019, 08:14:36 am »
So I have the revel Fin... 1/72 scale and it's lovely... but I need suggestions for a color scheme.

Green and grey seem overdone... Grey is just, blah.

Anyone?

Assume that the  USAF did adopt the Tornado as the F24 .  This allows you USAAF pre 1939 blue and yellow as their Tornado retirement special.

That would be beautiful. 

I was a little surprised no RAF types were painted in WW1 schemes for the centennial last year.  Maybe an opportunity to correct that oversight?
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #115 on: January 24, 2019, 10:04:02 am »

I was a little surprised no RAF types were painted in WW1 schemes for the centennial last year.  Maybe an opportunity to correct that oversight?


We didn't have enough aeroplanes I expect. :(
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #116 on: January 24, 2019, 02:18:29 pm »

I was a little surprised no RAF types were painted in WW1 schemes for the centennial last year.  Maybe an opportunity to correct that oversight?


We didn't have enough aeroplanes I expect. :(

Sad state of affairs.  😞
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #117 on: January 24, 2019, 11:10:16 pm »
So I have the revel Fin... 1/72 scale and it's lovely... but I need suggestions for a color scheme.

Green and grey seem overdone... Grey is just, blah.


Luftwaffe Afrika mottle
RAF grey-green but with Arctic white distemper
RAF sand-and-chocolate
Danish bronze-green
QinetiQ gloss black
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #118 on: January 25, 2019, 02:00:25 am »

And its RARE!!!!!!!!!

I'd snap it up if I were you...

 :rolleyes:

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It's like those sellers who write GET YOURSELF A BARGAIN! and then set a reserve price...

I will never understand those who set a reserve on Evil-Bay.  Why not just set the amount you want to get as a minimum as the starting amount?

My MRCA is on the way.  I have a couple of possible wing doners in mind but no ideas on a colour scheme or user.

Because a lot of buyers rank-order their searches by price or price+postage with lowest first. That means that if you set a start price of 0.99 with a reserve of 10 instead of a start price of 9.99, you go straight to the top of their list.
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Re: Tornado Themed Build?
« Reply #119 on: January 25, 2019, 02:49:37 am »
RAF grey-green but with Arctic white distemper
RAF sand-and-chocolate
QinetiQ gloss black

First one's real world, both variations of white over green and white over grey:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235006835-raf-winter-camouflage/
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234983118-finishedthe-other-tims-revell-172-tornado-gr1-arctic-cam-13-sqn-raf/

Second one would be good as an alternative to desert pink.

Third one, I'd wondered about putting an F.3 in an earlier A&AEE raspberry ripple scheme.  A GR.1 wore Raspberry ripple and F.3 was used by A&AEE but in standard camouflage so might be a bit of a head scratcher.
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