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Tornado F6

Started by PR19_Kit, August 28, 2018, 05:05:57 AM

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Pellson

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Quote from: Pellson on September 14, 2022, 01:19:14 PMChange/rebuild of nozzles. Like my Tornado F.5, remember?  ;)


I can't find the build for that, can you give me a link please?

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There isn't one, I'm afraid. At least not one giving any better clues to what I did, so here comes the recipe:

I used the Italeri Tornado ADV. I don't think that'll do any difference, though. Before attaching the kit nozzles, I ground them back, almost to the end of the full-width base where they are attached to the fuselage. Then I took a pair of Airfix Typhoon nozzles and ground them from the other direction, so to speak, very carefully and only a little at a time, until their width matched the Tornado nozzles. You have to be very careful not to grind anything away from its correct angles, though. It's easy to make a nozzle point the wrong way.
Some cleaning up on the insides, mainly, and then glue it together. Insides black, outsides some black or burnt metal. And Bob's a close relative.

I actually think I did it in an hour, painting included.

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Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 14, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

PR19_Kit

Magic, thanks.  :thumbsup:

My F6 started off life as an Italeri F3 as well, so all I need is to find a Typhoon kit, and I think I've got one in The Loft somewhere.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Pellson

Looking at the photo above on the computer rather than on my phone, it's awful. I'll try to sort a better one (or two) for you.. :rolleyes:
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Pellson


This should be better, I hope. You can see where the Typhoon exhaust feathers end (lighter) and the Tornado starts (darker).

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Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

PR19_Kit

Yes, that's pretty clear, thanks very much.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

PR19_Kit

Yet another of my stalled projects that I found while searching for such things.

It's got lots of add-ons in the kit's box, but not sure I'll use all of them, just the ones that work best. I think I'll have a go at using the EJ200 exhausts that Pellson suggested as well.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Pellson

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 25, 2025, 06:19:33 AMYet another of my stalled projects that I found while searching for such things.

It's got lots of add-ons in the kit's box, but not sure I'll use all of them, just the ones that work best. I think I'll have a go at using the EJ200 exhausts that Pellson suggested as well.

I shall be appropriately starstruck, having Father Whif take up one of my ideas..  ;)

Jokes aside - much looking forward to see progress on this one.  :thumbsup:
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

PR19_Kit

I've got the EJ200 exhausts on the F6 now, a but further aft than Pellson's more elegant solution as you can still see a bit of the RB199's exhausts in front of them, but what the hell, it's MY model and this is WhiffWorld.  ;D

I've extended the base burning platform rearwards so it goes between the EJ200 exhausts, and it ends up looking a bit like a blunt 'pen knib' fairing on the back end of an F-111.

More work going on for the F6 as well. I have some excellent Eduard seats for it, as well as a Master turned brass nose probe. I did get some ResKit AIM9-M 'winders for it too, but the ones in the kit look good enough for me, plus they're all in one piece, and don't need every PE fin glued in place! That'd be fraught with difficulty I'm sure, and many of the fins actually glued to my fingers!
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

PR19_Kit

It's not my day today. :(

I've got the SAC white metal landing gear, listed for the 'Revell 1/72 Tornado' which I just assumed would fit, as everyone knows that the Revell Tornado and the Italeri Tornado are the same kits, don't they?

No, 'cos they're not.  :banghead:

While the GR1/GR4 Tornado kits ARE the same for both manufacturers, they make their own versions of the F3, and the SAC set ONLY fits the GR1/4!!!

It's nothing like the gear on the Italeri F3, which is much splindier for some reason. so I'll have to stick with the styrene gear from the kit. I don't know if I have a Revell/Italeri GR1/4 that the SAC gear will fit, but maybe it might work with an Airfix one and I've got 2-3 of them.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Gondor

Actually Revell has marketed several boxings of the Tornado, which are from two different moulds. The newer and better version has the RAF machine on the box and was also released by eduard.

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

PR19_Kit

Yeah, but that's a GR1/4. The SAC gear set fits that one fine, but not the F3. :(

The real thing has exactly the same landing gear for both versions, so why the models are so different defeats me.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Captain Canada

Be great to see a Tornado build again. Love this machine.
CANADA KICKS arse !!!!

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Vive les Canadiens !
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Old Wombat

Can you create the right mounting system for the SAC landing gear in the wheel wells?  :unsure:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Old Wombat on April 27, 2025, 05:56:11 PMCan you create the right mounting system for the SAC landing gear in the wheel wells?  :unsure:


Maybe, but I can't see from the Revell GR1/4 instructions what it should look like. There's a serious step in the 'floor' (Actually the ceiling....) of the gear bay that would have to be exactly the correct height for it to work, and as the thing is almost totally assembled now, it would be very difficult to change.

Because the EJ200 exhausts looked a bit silly perched on top of the RB199s (Mr. Pellson did his mod for them while building the model, I've had to add mine on afterwards....) I've PSR'd the RB199 exhausts out of existence, which makes the tail end even LONGER now. Plus it also removes all signs of the thrust reversers, so the F6s were all fitted with braking chutes instead. And so will mine, later on.  ;D

(Kit's 2nd law applies of course, but almost in reverse in this case)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

PR19_Kit

You may recall that the pylon attachment pins for the giant 'Hindenburger' fuel tanks on the F6 had both snapped off early in the build, as such things are very prone to do. As those monster tanks are part and parcel of the F2/3/5/6 range of Tornados I was determined to have them on the F6 model, so I've 'upgraded' the pylons so they work properly. That means they really will swivel to accommodate the change in wing sweep angle.

The remnants of the original pins were still stuck in the holes in the underside of the wings, so I just poked them right through and measured the size of the hole by pushing larger and larger drill bits through it until I got to one that wouldn't go through, and then checked the size of the one just before that had done so. Sadly it was the same diameter as the thickness of the pylon itself, so there was no way I could glue a wire pin of that dimension in, not without incurring LOTS of PSR etc.

So I went a few sizes down and used some 1mm dia. copper wire I had to hand, drilled the pylon the same dia. about 3 mm deep and glued in a length of the wire. Then I drilled a 0.9 mm dia. hole in the wing, just inboard of the original position of the pins, and started to PSR the original pin's hole.

The little wire pin and the new hole in the wing are ringed red in this pic below, and you can just see the part PSR'd original hole to its right.



The pin is just about a tight enough fit in the hole so the tank and pylon stay attached, and here it is. Look, no glue!  ;D



I've done the one on the other side too and they can both be swivelled to match the wing sweep angle.

RESULT!  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit