Author Topic: The almost predictable Lightning  (Read 10542 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Steel Penguin

  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 2768
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2014, 11:35:27 am »
Kit  the Airfix spares department is   infamous  in the way that it is so far beyond famous that its "infamous"  Ive only had to ask any thing of them once,  and that was a couple of bits for a wif ( still planned)  they got the parts out to me toot sweet, and for gratis.  :bow:
Redone 19/08/15  the things you learn, give your mind the wings to fly, and the chains to hold yourself steady added 07/10/18   take off and nuke the site form orbit, nope, time for the real thing, CAM and gridfire, call special circumstances.   wow, its like freefalling into the Geofront

Offline Weaver

  • I'm either dumb or evil - you decide.....
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 18211
  • Has a life outside What-If that is also What If
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2014, 11:59:31 am »
I had a look at the F-104 wing as an extension but it has tapered leading and trailing edges and it's too darn small really.

F-5 wing as an extension piece? (Gets you a tip pylon too...)

As a complete wing replacement for the wingless wonders: Mirage III, Kfir (dirt cheap), SU-9/11/15 Rafale, Eurofighter, TSR.2.
Neophyte: Is Eris true?
Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.
Neo: Even false things?
MtY: Even false things are true.
Neo: How can that be?
MtY: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
Principia Discordia

Twitter: @hws5mp
www.minds.com: @HaroldWeaverSmith

Offline deathjester

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 1929
  • 'Even his Toaster has Reheat...'
    • www.stormfrontmodels.co.uk
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2014, 03:11:35 pm »
Lightning PR7, with rocket booster, and cameras in the front of the belly tank??  This all sounds faintly familiar, in a Hemp over Black way... ;D

Offline martinbayer

  • Makes own decals
  • ***
  • Posts: 453
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2014, 03:37:26 pm »
What do you do with two Lightning F2As with only their starboard wings???  :unsure: :banghead:

Somehow Tophe comes to mind...

Martin
Would be marching to the beat of his own drum, if he didn't detest marching to any drumbeat at all so much.

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 36313
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2014, 03:46:18 pm »
Kit  the Airfix spares department is   infamous  in the way that it is so far beyond famous that its "infamous"  Ive only had to ask any thing of them once,  and that was a couple of bits for a wif ( still planned)  they got the parts out to me toot sweet, and for gratis.  :bow:

Oooh, I didn't know that, it might be worth a try then, thanks.


Lightning PR7, with rocket booster, and cameras in the front of the belly tank??  This all sounds faintly familiar, in a Hemp over Black way... ;D

Funny you should say that, did you build one then ?


Somehow Tophe comes to mind...

Martin

Hehehe, that HAD occured to me too, Tophe would think it was normal.  ;D
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 36313
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2014, 03:57:55 pm »
Lightning PR7, with rocket booster, and cameras in the front of the belly tank??  This all sounds faintly familiar, in a Hemp over Black way... ;D

Ahah, so you did, back in 2011, and I was very enthusiastic about it too. I've obviously a need for a memory upgrade.  ;D

For everyone else the build thread is here :- http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,30678.0.html

I think I'll have to change mine to a PR9 then as I've already built an F8 and think about a different colour scheme. The backstory of my PR9 is somewhat different as all 15 of the PR9s were converted from F2As and F6s after they'd been brought back from Germany and didn't have all that much performance improvement over the original fighters.
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline deathjester

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 1929
  • 'Even his Toaster has Reheat...'
    • www.stormfrontmodels.co.uk
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2014, 04:10:14 pm »
Cheers mate!  I was just debating whetherto cast about and find the PR7 build - I knew you wouldn't be able to resist a recon Frightening for long!  How about some totally different wings, say fixed versions of the F-111 wings??  And maybe some different engines - our research showed that the Spey 25R could be shoehorned in, perhaps slightly increase the rear fuselage diameter??

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 36313
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2014, 04:19:23 pm »
I may leave those upgrades to the PR10.  ;D
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline deathjester

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 1929
  • 'Even his Toaster has Reheat...'
    • www.stormfrontmodels.co.uk
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2014, 05:01:26 pm »
Aha!  You've referenced it - now you have to do it :wacko:

Offline ChernayaAkula

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 4562
  • Deutscher Meister 2011 & 2012 - BVB 09!
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2014, 05:23:59 pm »
<...> or maybe something totally different instead. <...> F-4 wings? <...>

F-4 wings sound good.  :thumbsup: But how to mount them? Keep the Lightning lay-out and use the F-4 wings in place of the Lightning's wings (with the ends turned down TSR.2-style?)? Or with the F-4 wing moved back and low (ends turned up), with F-4 or Lightning stabs for canards?

Or if it doesn't have to be Western, how about these wing-wings from a Su-17 Fitter? Mastercraft's Su-17 should be cheap and plentiful! Wing area is about the same when swept back and a little more when swept forward.

EDIT: Liked the F-4 idea so much I whipped up two three-views:





Lighting and Phantom parts have the same scale. Only the F-4-stabs-turned-canards are smaller than their real-life counterparts.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 09:05:23 pm by ChernayaAkula »
Cheers,
Moritz


Must, then, my projects bend to the iron yoke of a mechanical system? Is my soaring spirit to be chained down to the snail's pace of matter?

Offline zenrat

  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 19934
  • Currently on double secret probation.
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2014, 07:20:52 pm »
If it's to be a PR bird then how about U2 wings...
Fred

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere for your convenience..

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 36313
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2014, 12:20:01 am »
I love ALL of those ideas, specially the carnard Lightning.  :thumbsup:

That Corona PR1 looks the business too, although the wings could be a tad longer.  ;D

My concept is a tactical recce aircraft rather than a strategic type like the U-2, PR19 etc. Sort of a latter day Swift FR5, which is what triggered it off in the first place. The PR9s were all based in West Germany with a remit for pre- and post-strike recce of short range targets if the Red Hordes started playing games. All this in the early 80s when the RAF had no tactical recce types on their lists.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 04:55:52 pm by PR19_Kit »
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline Gondor

  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 7521
  • Builds Slower Than A Glacier Moves
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2014, 01:24:19 am »
I love ALL of those ideas, specially the carnard Lightning.  :thumbsup:

That Corona PR1 looks the business too, although the wings could be a tad longer.  ;D

My concept is a tactical recce aircraft rather than a strategic type like the T-2, PR19 etc. Sort of a latter day Swift FR5, which is what triggered it off in the first place. The PR9s were all based in West Germany with a remit for pre- and post-strike recce of short range targets if the Red Hordes started playing games. All this in the early 80s when the RAF had no tactical recce types on their lists.

No dedicated built as tactical recce but what about the Jaguars of 2 and 41 Squadrons? And if you were going to make your Lightening as a Tactical Reconnaissance aircraft, why not just go with the camera fit as the aircraft would have to be fast in and fast out so larger wings would mean less manoeuvrability and more drag.

Gondor

My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Offline PR19_Kit

  • Closeted Take That fan
  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 36313
  • Whiffing since the 70s
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2014, 09:20:52 am »
I love ALL of those ideas, specially the carnard Lightning.  :thumbsup:

That Corona PR1 looks the business too, although the wings could be a tad longer.  ;D

My concept is a tactical recce aircraft rather than a strategic type like the T-2, PR19 etc. Sort of a latter day Swift FR5, which is what triggered it off in the first place. The PR9s were all based in West Germany with a remit for pre- and post-strike recce of short range targets if the Red Hordes started playing games. All this in the early 80s when the RAF had no tactical recce types on their lists.

No dedicated built as tactical recce but what about the Jaguars of 2 and 41 Squadrons? And if you were going to make your Lightening as a Tactical Reconnaissance aircraft, why not just go with the camera fit as the aircraft would have to be fast in and fast out so larger wings would mean less manoeuvrability and more drag.

Gondor

The Vinten pods for Jags were very unreliable and the RAF needed something 'quick and dirty'. That's my (back)story and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

That's exactly how I AM building it now, with just the camera fit, but with some extra tankage because of the heavy fuel burn at low level and a small amount of 'self defence'......  ;)
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Offline Gondor

  • What-IF SIG
  • Needs A Life Outside What-If
  • *****
  • Posts: 7521
  • Builds Slower Than A Glacier Moves
Re: The almost predictable Lightning
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2014, 11:37:44 am »
I love ALL of those ideas, specially the carnard Lightning.  :thumbsup:

That Corona PR1 looks the business too, although the wings could be a tad longer.  ;D

My concept is a tactical recce aircraft rather than a strategic type like the T-2, PR19 etc. Sort of a latter day Swift FR5, which is what triggered it off in the first place. The PR9s were all based in West Germany with a remit for pre- and post-strike recce of short range targets if the Red Hordes started playing games. All this in the early 80s when the RAF had no tactical recce types on their lists.

No dedicated built as tactical recce but what about the Jaguars of 2 and 41 Squadrons? And if you were going to make your Lightening as a Tactical Reconnaissance aircraft, why not just go with the camera fit as the aircraft would have to be fast in and fast out so larger wings would mean less manoeuvrability and more drag.

Gondor

The Vinten pods for Jags were very unreliable and the RAF needed something 'quick and dirty'. That's my (back)story and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

That's exactly how I AM building it now, with just the camera fit, but with some extra tankage because of the heavy fuel burn at low level and a small amount of 'self defence'......  ;)

The Vitten pods were only added later in the Jaguar's service life, they started out with the BAC Reconnaissance pod and yes to start with navigation was shocking but it was improved upon fairly quickly.

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities