Allison Meets Emil

[Daryl J.]

Could a de-engined Me-109E have had an Allison engine fitted for testing in the US say 1942-ish?   And could it have been a turbosupercharged P-38 engine?  Or would it have had to been a P-40 engine?


Daryl J., again thinking aloud......


edit:  PS:  Of course the requisite Merlin and Griffon comments would fit too.  But 5 blades on a Schmitty..............  

[gooberliberation]

The P-38 had some rather big turbosuperchargers didnt it?

[ysi_maniac]

Yeah, go for it

[Jennings]

The biggest difficulty is that the DB engine is an inverted V and the Allison is an upright V.  You run into the same problem the Spaniards did putting the Merlin into the 109G.  The thrust line move up about a foot.

J

[Daryl J.]

Jennings,

I'd forgotten that.   And, putting a P-40 nose upside down on it would look most odd........would that mean it would have to be in British markings?  French perchance?  


Daryl J., shooting his own idea down in flames....      

[Mossie]

I don't think it's un-do-able Daryl, you'd end up with machine looking similar to the Buchon but with a much larger intake.  May not be a perfect machine in the end, but there plenty of those about during WWII.  Could be British or French, but a P-40 with an odd engine?  Sounds very Soviet to me, da comrade??? :salute:

The back story could be an alternate ending to WWII.  On pushing into Germany hard, in advance of the allies, the glorious Red Army of the Soviet Union managed to grab more territory, but with major losses.  The Patriotic Workers of the Communist Party got to work at once, restarting the Messerschmitt factories.  Unfortunately, the BMW factories had been completley deystroyed in the bombing campaign.  This did not stop the loyal workers putting together the hated capitalists own engines onto Bf-109 airfames, ready to use against them.

[Chap]

How different is the DB 601 from the Jumo 213? Reason I ask is, Flugwerk of Germany is building a Fw-190D9 with an Allison V-1710, with a special gear box, in it.

~Steve

P.S. Daryl, I really like this idea.

[Daryl J.]

Chap,

That I did not know.   In somewhat the same vein,  I've often wondered what a pointy-nosed Ta-152 would look like but have not come up with anywhere to put the radiators.


Daryl J.

[Brian da Basher]

Maybe wing root radiators or slung under the belly like a P-51?

Brian da Basher

[jcf]

How different is the DB 601 from the Jumo 213? Reason I ask is, Flugwerk of Germany is building a Fw-190D9 with an Allison V-1710, with a special gear box, in it.

~Steve

P.S. Daryl, I really like this idea.

The Jumo is also an inverted V engine.

The Flugwerk V-1710 installation involves some contorted exhaust pipes along with the inverted reduction gear housing. The contorted pipes are to keep the 'look' of an inverted engine, they serve no other purpose.

The P-40B/C were powered by a 'long-nose' C series engine with 'straight-through' reduction gearing:



Later P-40s used an F series with an offset reduction gear housing that raised the thrust line:


The Allisons installed in the P-38, P-39, P-63 were F type, and that is the type being modified for the Flugwerk project.



Here is the ultimate V-1710, the V-1710-E22(-127) Turbo-compound.
Rated at 2,320 hp Military Power, 3,090 hp War emergency Power with water/alcohol injection:



It was intended for the P-63.

Cheers, Jon

[Daryl J.]

JCF,

Would that suggest that the P-40B engine would result in a pointed nose Messerschmitt instead of the droop-tip DB or the perky Buchon?  

Perhaps Monogram's P-40 could get it's nose transposed to the Revell 109K-4/G-10 kit and, just for matching purposes, putting subtly extended wing-tip points on for visual harmony............  B)  B)

This idea may yet proceed.  :ar:  :ar:  :ar:

Hmmmmmm......overall light buff with a NMF nose piece perhaps and Norwegian markings............

Daryl J.

edit:  PS:  I wonder if in theory, that blower could be hooked up to the P-40B engine for a high-altitude Recon Wrecker or something similar.

[jcf]

Not to scale, but comparing the thrust lines of the DB 601 and C series V-1710, it looks promising:




I kinda doubt you could fit that blower assembly in the little Emil.

Cheers, Jon  

[Daryl J.]

To echo Riley in "National Treasure", this just might work.


Daryl J., deleting the turbo idea