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ysi_maniac

June 04, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
I have the Frog kit Spitfire XIV and V1. I want to modify Spitfire's spine in order to mount a bubble canopy.

The question is: Did such Spitfire existed? I mean:

griffon engine
5 blades propeler
buble canopy
broad chord tail fin
standard (non clipped) wings

With light modification can I get a real world spitfire with such features?

Thanks,
Carlos.
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June 04, 2007, 01:37:37 PM
Yes, it did...I believe it was called a Seafire... :lol:

IIRC, there is also a land-based model along those lines.
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June 04, 2007, 02:08:26 PM Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 02:12:20 PM by kitnut617
Hi Carlos,

Yes they did, Mk.XIV (Griffon), Mk.XVI (Merlin), Mk.XIIIV (Griffon) Mk.22 and Mk.24 (both Griffon) all came in bubble top versions.

There are a number of models which are this version too, Fujimi make a number of versions of the Mk.XIV with the bubble top, I have them all.  Aeroclub does the Mk.XIIIV which is a vac fuselage conversion for the Fujimi kit.  It's basically the same as the Mk.XIV but had an even broader rudder than the Mk.XIV.

Here's the box art for one of the Fujimi kit:



Seafires also had the bubble top, the Mk.17 I think was the first one, then the Mk.46 and Mk.47.  I can't think of any other Seafires that did though. Venture Models make Seafire bubble tops, all the above are 1/72 scale.

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June 04, 2007, 02:14:28 PM
Since we are on the subject of Spitfires, what would be the mark/model for a Spitfire powered by an Allison engine?  Was it ever attempted or even considered?  What would it look like?  Perhaps the engine cowling from a P-40, P-38, or early P-51/A-36 mated to a Spitfire fuselage?  Franken-Spit!  
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June 04, 2007, 02:19:44 PM
QuoteSince we are on the subject of Spitfires, what would be the mark/model for a Spitfire powered by an Allison engine?  Was it ever attempted or even considered?  What would it look like?  Perhaps the engine cowling from a P-40, P-38, or early P-51/A-36 mated to a Spitfire fuselage?  Franken-Spit!
I think with the experience the RAF had with the early P-40's, Mustang and P-38's and their Allison engines, I don't think it was ever comptemplated.  I think the Germans did a DB 601 conversion though!
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June 04, 2007, 02:49:20 PM
QuoteOr how about a Lightning with two Griffons? :huh:
Awww crap! That's just too cool an idea not to do!
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June 04, 2007, 04:06:03 PM Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 04:06:54 PM by Brian da Basher
If memeory serves, the British problems with Allison engines were not the fault of the engines themselves but with the lower octane rating of British av-gas at the time. Once the R.A.F. started using a fuel with the right octane, the Allisons ran fine. I woldn't mind seeing a Spit with an Allison from a P-40 grafted on. If I had a Spit and a P-40 I'd swap out engines between the two just to see what it looks like.

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Jeffry Fontaine

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June 04, 2007, 05:55:28 PM Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 05:57:40 PM by jeffryfontaine
QuoteIf memeory serves, the British problems with Allison engines were not the fault of the engines themselves but with the lower octane rating of British av-gas at the time. Once the R.A.F. started using a fuel with the right octane, the Allisons ran fine. I woldn't mind seeing a Spit with an Allison from a P-40 grafted on. If I had a Spit and a P-40 I'd swap out engines between the two just to see what it looks like.

The odd requirement by the BPC to require removal of the super-chargers from the Allison engines did much to castrate the effectivness of both the P-39 and P-38 which resulted in both of them being rejected for use by the UK.  If they had left the augmentation in place both of those aircraft might well have been readily avaialble to make a real difference much earlier in the war.  Possibly being available in limited numbers to carry the fight to the Germans much closer to their own shores.  
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June 05, 2007, 04:55:28 AM Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 04:55:46 AM by ysi_maniac
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Oh thanks, you are right,
I have this kit :dum:  :banghead:  :dum:  :banghead:
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June 05, 2007, 07:08:20 AM
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Oh thanks, you are right,
I have this kit :dum:  :banghead:  :dum:  :banghead:
LOL
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#10
June 05, 2007, 08:20:03 AM
QuoteI think the Germans did a DB 601 conversion though!
Yep, they popped a DB.601 on that didn't work so well, then they tried it with a DB.605, with better results & used the cowl from a Bf.110:
http://www.unrealaircraft.com/hybrid/spitfire.php

You can get several conversion sets for it, makes a for a very interesting Spit!
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#11
June 05, 2007, 08:40:11 AM
There was also counter-rotating prop spits, recon spits, merlin spits, griffon spits  :ill:  

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#12
June 05, 2007, 09:37:11 AM
QuoteSacrilege!

No decent, self respecting British prop plane would lower itself to being debased by having an Allison engine fitted!
Um, except for the Mustang, that is :)

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June 05, 2007, 09:38:31 AM
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QuoteSacrilege!

No decent, self respecting British prop plane would lower itself to being debased by having an Allison engine fitted!
Um, except for the Mustang, that is :)

J
But the mustang came from north america?

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June 05, 2007, 10:10:16 AM


While we're on the subject of Spitfire variants...

Introducing the fuzzy bunny offspring of a Spitfire, Hurricane and B17 (the engine)

- the Hawkermarine Thugfire (in it's 'mock up' form).

Build to follow on anther thread somewhere near you.

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"It was an interesting kite to handle, and thoroughly lived up to its name.
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