Delta Force Air Corps

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Hello everybody!!

Here is an idea I had while I was watching "Black hawk Down" for the first time: what if the Delta Force has its own secret Air Force??

For example, what if a serie of catastrophic frendly fire by USAF and USMC planes against Deltas and SEALs happened in the late 1980's or early 1990's??
To support the ground troops, the Delta Force could have been tempted to increase it's air component, the ground D-Boys having trust only for D-Boys pilots, who trained always with SpeOp troops and who served for several months or years with the ground D-Boys in order to know how they work!!

The small Delta Force Air Corp (is it Corps or Corp??) could include, of course, AH-6 and OH-6 Little Bird, some MH-60 Hawks and, for the support, A-37 and OA-10 to begining, and why not later some modernised F/A-18D and OA-10??

Does it sounds ggod to you? Do you have any comments or idea?? I admit that I didn't no a lot of thing about the Delta...


For the moment, I just have drawn the roundels
Officially, the Delta Force markings are a typicall US roundel with the white star and the name "DELTA" written just where the words "MARINES" or "NAVY" took place in reallity...
But the Delta fastly transformed the original roundel in order to have their own one!!

Officially, they said it was for a better recognitions of the planes by the ground troops, but due to the small size of the markings and the low-viz roundels, it was clearly a decision done for the pride, in the typical obstinate way of the Deltas...

So, those roundels are not the "official" ones, but the "real" ones...
There are two variants, depending on the unit, the painter, the year, the plane etc...








That's it!! I hope you like them!!

If you want to use them, just ask me by PM, but there will be no problems...

For my part, I'll draw a Hornet with them and I just bought a little A-37B
Or maybe it will be my A-10, don't know for the moment

[seavixen]

What's the point? Surely any activities the Delta Force undertake have to be sanctioned by the US government and use equipment bearing recognised us insignia.

Besides I can't see the Americans allowing their insignia to be bastardised in such in way. It is supposed to represent the stars and stripes after all.

[Archibald]

Hellop pollux! I like the idea of having plenties air forces in the USA (USGC, CIA and the like).
Footnote concerning the (bloody!) film you watched :
do you know the French title ? "la chute du...Faucon noir". Those idots have translated the name of the helicopter!!!! I asked myself (for some times) what was this faucon noir.. I thought about the american eagle, or something like that
More clever, the spanish have translate as "Blackhawk derribado "  

[B777LR]

Why cant they just use the 160. SOAR as they allways did?

[Shasper]

Delta wouldn't need its own air componet, thats the job of the 160th SOAR. The Army formed the Nightstalkers after op. Eagleclaw (Iran hostage rescue attempt in '79).

Now I could see the 160th getting an expanded fleet w/OV-10s and eventualy both 'slick' and armed versions of the V-22.
A few yrs ago I did up a AH-64 as a MH-64B escort bird:



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I've got plans for a upgraded version based on the D model, and a few other things along the way.


Shas B)

[Mossie]

I could see the roundel being used with a different scenario:

The War on Terror has escalated.  The US President has sanctioned several attacks on countries deemed to be sympathetic to the terrorists and is using the situation to sanction attacks on other countries that are seen that are seen as a threat to US Interests.

The situation is getting out of hand.  Terrorists are getting hold of ex-Soviet equipment funded by nations of the 'Evil Empire', as well as guerilla attacks by Special forces on US soil.  The population is getting restless.  Rather than restoring peace, these attacks are seen as creating the problem.

A few senior members of Delta Force decide to mount a coup & persuade othe members of the armed forces to help as well as taking over several US Army & USAF bases & their equipment.  A short but bloody battle ensues between those forces loyal to the President & those apposed.  The Delta Force Roundel is quickly adopted to differentiate rebel aircraft & is hasitly painted over the star.  The President is overthrown & the Imperial States of America are born, the Delta Force Roundel being adopted for the newly formed IASF.

Feel free to tinker with the scenario as you wish (or completley reject it)!!!

As for Special forces paint jobs, I always liked the unofficial scheme adopted on RAF Chinooks during the Gulf War:



It could either be adapted for the US, (or IS), or you could write in to the scenario that Delta was aided by the RAF & SAS (they're often exercising at Fort Bragg & there is a lot of 'unofficial' co-operation between the two).

Another point is that there's a very strong rumour that Delta Force do have their own small helicopter fleet, although very covert & in civilian markings.

[Supertom]

LOL Pollux nice banner    

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Like your idea very much Mossie!!
Funny fact; I was just about such a "coup" an hour ago, in the bus, while I was thinking about Michael Bay's movie "Rock" !!!

Well, we could even imagine a bigger change... Just imagine that the global economic system collapses in a not so far future, and that this crash will be folowed by another Great Depression...
Add to that the increasing terrorist acts and the military reprisals that cover half the planet with blood and gun powder, the extremely tense situation in south USA and in outer-sea territories, and you have what we need for a coup d'état in the USA!! (and well, probably the end of the European Union too, and other catastrophic stuffs like that)

Here we could go with a new state leading by an ex Delta-Force colonel for example...
The Imperial States (maybe another name more adapted could be find, don't know) could have territories in the Mexican border, on the North-West of the USA (Washington state and Oregon maybe), and they could even take the control of the whole Panama country as a first act of war!!




But in fact, I think we could mix the two different scenario. I mean, what if the Delta Force was created with its own Air Wing??
I didn't know the 160th SOAR, but we could imagine for example that Clinton's administration choose to group a large majority of the SpecOp under a single command, something like that...
I have to work on this possibility too...



And for the roundels, I understand that the star is very important on it, that's why I draw the first one (in fact, it was my second idea, but it was easier too draw)... It mixed the White Star and the Delta Symbol... In France, we have for our Navy the Navy symbol putted on the roundel, just like this example (exepting that the Navy Symbol is on a different color)...
But well, don't forget I did it just for fun

But well, if it really sounds impossible, we could keep this solution just for the "Coup Scenario"...
And for the 1990's-2000's period, why not a classic roundel and, on the wings, a big white (or brown, or grey, whatever) Delta symbol, just like the stripes on the 1944's Allied planes??

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

LOL Pollux nice banner

Lol!! I love it too!!    

[Shasper]

OK I can nolonger be apart of this topic for various reasons (none the les having to do w/a coup against the president, doesnt matter is he's a oralising SOB like Clinton or a cowboy like Bush).

The 160th was created to ferry around both Delta and the Rangers on their fed-funded safaries against terrorist & wilderbeast (see BHD), while I can see the 160th getting expanded & type diversified, I cannot see Delta getting its own fleet of A/C & helos, muchless a flippin coup.


Shas B)  

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

The 160th was created to ferry around both Delta and the Rangers on their fed-funded safaries against terrorist & wilderbeast (see BHD), while I can see the 160th getting expanded & type diversified, I cannot see Delta getting its own fleet of A/C & helos, muchless a flippin coup.

I think that if I keep this storyline, all the Delta won't be part of the coup, of course!!!
Most of them will be loyal to the President and if the coup will be lead by an ex Delta (someone megalomaniac and paranoid, for example) Colonel, most of the men who followed him will be ex-milician, civilians or militaries from other corps...


For my part, I don't think the idea of a military coup against the President could be possible in the reallity, that's why I imagined the idea of an economic crash, a global war (a real one I mean!!)... Well, a pre-apocalyptic world in a kind of way



But well, I don't want to convince you Shasper, you have your own reason of course, and I understand them... I just want to tell that such a scenario is not so impossible. After all, the Secession War happened in the reallity and in France, we have our own military Coup  d'Etat during the decolonisation... And we were in a real democratic Republic etc etc...
But if some lunatic military generals are mad enough to want there own country (in this case of Algeria, they wanted to continue the war, but some of them wanted an independant Algeria for their own!!), and add to that an chaotic world, it could be paussible...


In fact, my idea was to mix the Secession War and the Algerian Putch in a new quite-apocalytic world...  :dum:
That is not to offened the D-Boys, the Rangers or the military at all!! My own grand-father was member of the French SpecOp from 1958 to 1982, and even if I don't agree with everything he did (and so does he, but he had to follow orders...), I fully respect the man he is.

[PanzerWulff]

As for Special forces paint jobs, I always liked the unofficial scheme adopted on RAF Chinooks during the Gulf War:

that paintjob looks like they handed the troops paintball guns and told them to go "Cammo job everything on the tarmac"          

[Mossie]

Come on Shas, get with the vibe!  Please don't just poo-poo this, if you don't like it, add something to senario to change to how you think it should go, I'm sure Pollux would be very happy.  The US has a history of bloody revoloution, along with Europe & the rest of the world, so this scenario, however unlikely, isn't totally implausible.  I don't think the American people would really stand for the creation of an empire, I was just adding a bit of sattire.  Tom Clancy & such have written best selling novels about this kind of thing!  Like Pollux says, it's just for fun.

Pollux, it sounds like the beggining for a third world war.  No nukes, as the unrest is starting within various countries & is spreading like wildfire, creating a new world order.  Maybe not simple(?) imperialism, but something new, the way democracy exploded three/four hundred years ago & Communism at the beggining of last century?

We could have a scenario of a new democracy trying to fight it's way out of the tide of imperialism, on both sides of the atlantic, maybe involve all the worlds continents, things really getting crazy before they get better?

that paintjob looks like they handed the troops paintball guns and told them to go "Cammo job everything on the tarmac"

Not far off PanzerWulf!  I remember something like that happening at primary school, a few of us flicking paint on the ceiling.  Strangely, we got away with it & it was still there when I left!  

[Jennings]

Uh, no thanks.  They've already got their own little private air force, and they don't need not steenkeeng insignias.  Everything they do is black by definition, and in point of fact, they don't even exist officially anyway.

No, let's just let that sleeping dog lie..

J

[Mossie]

Come on guys, this dosen't seem to be in the spirit of this forum.  The vibe that's coming along is that because Pollux's Delta air wing & roundels don't fit in with the role of Delta Force as they currently exist it can't happen.  Isn't this the What If Modellers Forum???

There seems to be some hostility to Polluxs (& mine) ideas in this thread, it wasn't my intention to offend & I'm sure it's not Pollux's either.  Lets just stick to dicussing an interesting, if off the wall idea.  I'm certain it's not the most bizzare thing to come out of this forum!

I've become jaded with a few other forums because they'd become too bitchy & opinionated.  I really enjoy this forum & I'd been coming to think that this place wasn't like this. Don't prove me wrong.

I'm happy to carry this on if Pollux and anyone else is.