EE Canberra and Martin B-57

Started by lancer, March 04, 2004, 01:51:18 PM

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zenrat

Tallboy is 21' long according to wikipaedia.

I'm more interested in what else the 1950's RAF would use to drop a Tallboy (other than the obvious).  I suppose they could go with tradition and use a Shak...
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Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

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Gondor

Quote from: Weaver on April 21, 2026, 03:04:27 AMIT'S OKAY!

I just went to check the thread again, and somebody's obviously got through to him because he's deleted the offending posts. Thankfully, he hasn't taken the hump and deleted the whole thread, because it's otherwise interesting. How things should be (more or less).  :thumbsup:

That's a relief
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I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

Charlie_c67

Would it have fitted in a in the V-bombers? Weight wise it would've been ok, but might've needed a mod akin to the Blue Steel. Not sure if the Victor would've had the clearance though?
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PR19_Kit

Falling off a log getting a Tallboy into a Vulcan or Valiant, look at the size of a Blue Danube or Yellow Sun.

And as both of those also went into a Victor too, there must have been a way of loading them in as well, maybe they had a trench to position the bomber over?
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Weaver

Quote from: zenrat on April 21, 2026, 04:01:14 AMTallboy is 21' long according to wikipaedia.

I'm more interested in what else the 1950's RAF would use to drop a Tallboy (other than the obvious).  I suppose they could go with tradition and use a Shak...
 ;)

The excerpts from the doc don't say which bombers would drop the Tall Boys, except to note that the Lincoln couldn't reach the target from UK bases. Since all the V-bombers were designed around the Blue Danube atom bomb, Blue Danube was bigger than Tall Boy, and they also had to carry 20,000lb over short ranges, I presume that they could all drop the latter. I have seen a statement that a Victor could carry TWO Tall Boys.
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Weaver on April 21, 2026, 02:46:34 PMI have seen a statement that a Victor could carry TWO Tall Boys.


It actually says that in the Wikipedia page for the Tallboy, and scaling plans for a Victor says that's right too.

The Victor's bomb bay is 35 ft long and 10 ft wide, and a Tallboy is 21 ft long and just over 3 ft in diameter. A Vulcan might carry THREE of them, it's that wide.  ;D
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Charlie_c67

So who's first to model them? Or carrying a Grand Slam  :wacko:
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PR19_Kit

Colin Freightdog does a resin Tallboy, or did anyway.

I had one semi-loaded in my 'Retro TSR2' model, the one with the gun turrets............   ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Weaver

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 21, 2026, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: Weaver on April 21, 2026, 02:46:34 PMI have seen a statement that a Victor could carry TWO Tall Boys.


It actually says that in the Wikipedia page for the Tallboy, and scaling plans for a Victor says that's right too.

The Victor's bomb bay is 35 ft long and 10 ft wide, and a Tallboy is 21 ft long and just over 3 ft in diameter. A Vulcan might carry THREE of them, it's that wide.  ;D

Yeah, but I doubt whether a Vulcan could get off the ground with a 36,000lb bombload, unless the target was half a mile off the end of the runway.
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 - Indiana Jones

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Weaver on April 22, 2026, 05:20:41 AMYeah, but I doubt whether a Vulcan could get off the ground with a 36,000lb bombload, unless the target was half a mile off the end of the runway.


That's what tankers are for.  ;D
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Regards
Kit

Rheged

Then of course there is the "Grand Slam"  22,000lbs ,  26'6" long and just under 4' in diameter.  A device to penetrate up to 130' unto the earth and cause a small intense earthquake.  Filled with Torpex, which was poured into the casing one two gallon bucketful at a time.
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PR19_Kit

I guess they might have been able to carry a Grand Slam in a Victor's bomb bay, but I'm not quite sure how they'd load it in there as it's almost as low as a Canberra.  :-\
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Regards
Kit

The Wooksta!

Probably loaded via a pit underneath.
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Charlie_c67

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 22, 2026, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: Weaver on April 22, 2026, 05:20:41 AMYeah, but I doubt whether a Vulcan could get off the ground ;)  with a 36,000lb bombload, unless the target was half a mile off the end of the runway.


That's what tankers are for.  ;D

What, copy the Matelots solution for their underpowered Banana? Hmmmmm...

I'm sure if more power is required, a retconned developed De Haviland full fat Gyron could have plenty of power and then some  :wacko:
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jcf

Easy peasy. Hole in the ground or hydraulic lifts.
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