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General Disscussion

Started by NARSES2, July 06, 2026, 06:11:15 AM

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Rheged

Quote from: Charlie_c67 on Yesterday at 08:51:26 AM
Quote from: kerick on July 09, 2026, 08:26:24 PMWere there distinctive markings on the vehicles or aircraft? I've a feeling the aircraft had standard British roundels. I'm no expert on that.
On the other hand, if it's a whiff, you could make it NZ or Aussie markings.

Yes and no. I can only say for aircraft, but certainly in the European and African campaigns they used the "standard" RAF roundel (unlike the South Africans) but in the Pacific it seemed to be a little more all over the place, especially when the red was omitted to avoid confusion with the Hinomaru.

SEAF went with the twin blue roundal, both Aus and NZ just deleted the red dot, then some appeared with white stripes either side, some didn't, the white centre spot seemed to vary in size and no apparent standardisation was settled on. No doubt someone will now come out and say yes there was and here it is;)   :rolleyes:
The highest echelons of command may utter all of the proclamations, agreed standards and edicts that they wish, but when it gets down to the individual erks at runway level painting the aircraft, they are much more likely to follow the foibles of their squadron leader and/or choose the easiest option.
"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
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scooter

Quote from: Rheged on Yesterday at 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: Charlie_c67 on Yesterday at 08:51:26 AM
Quote from: kerick on July 09, 2026, 08:26:24 PMWere there distinctive markings on the vehicles or aircraft? I've a feeling the aircraft had standard British roundels. I'm no expert on that.
On the other hand, if it's a whiff, you could make it NZ or Aussie markings.

Yes and no. I can only say for aircraft, but certainly in the European and African campaigns they used the "standard" RAF roundel (unlike the South Africans) but in the Pacific it seemed to be a little more all over the place, especially when the red was omitted to avoid confusion with the Hinomaru.

SEAF went with the twin blue roundal, both Aus and NZ just deleted the red dot, then some appeared with white stripes either side, some didn't, the white centre spot seemed to vary in size and no apparent standardisation was settled on. No doubt someone will now come out and say yes there was and here it is;)  :rolleyes:
The highest echelons of command may utter all of the proclamations, agreed standards and edicts that they wish, but when it gets down to the individual erks at runway level painting the aircraft, they are much more likely to follow the foibles of their squadron leader and/or choose the easiest option.

As a 13 year member of the E-4 Mafia, it's going to always be the easiest option.
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zenrat

During WW2 RAAF 456 sqn (operating night fighters in the UK) painted roundels on their aircraft with the central red spot replaced by a red kangaroo (the roo design copied from the Australian One Penny coin).  They had come up with this design for their kitbags and overalls whilst on the boat from Aus to the UK.  These roundels did not replace any of the standard RAF ones but were in addition to them.  For example, IIRC they were painted on the crew access door on their Beaufighters.
The squadron wrote to the higher ups suggesting this design be adopted by the whole of the RAAF but heard nothing.
An identical design was later officially adopted by the RAAF and RAN FAA but I am not sure if 456 sqn got any credit.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

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PR19_Kit

Wowee, I've never heard of that before. How big were the extra roundels?

For my aborted Op Downfall Super Monsoon I was going to use BPF roundels/bars etc, but with a tiny red dot in the centre.

I read on the Net that an RAAF pilot was incensed that they were not allowed to have anything red in their markings, but he did just that, and had the tiniest red dot in the centre if his roundels.  :thumbsup:
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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NARSES2

RNZAF roundels and markings, particularly SWP ones can be an absolute nightmare when it comes to getting a definitive answer. All the better for "our" side of the hobby  ;)
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on Today at 05:37:48 AMRNZAF roundels and markings, particularly SWP ones can be an absolute nightmare when it comes to getting a definitive answer. All the better for "our" side of the hobby  ;)


We make our own rules on them of course, and by definition, we ARE the 'experts'.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Gondor

I have decided what I will build for this GB, but I still have to work out which operator and markings the aircraft will have.
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

zenrat

Quote from: PR19_Kit on Today at 05:29:53 AMWowee, I've never heard of that before. How big were the extra roundels?...

Small.  They fitted on the access door.  I'd guess maybe 12" diameter?
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere, for your convenience.

Old Wombat

This is the RAAFs version:

https://www.airforce.gov.au/about-us/history/our-journey/royal-australian-air-force-roundel-adopted

However, as this was the official squadron badge they may be claiming a bit too much credit;

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