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Russian Sabres

Started by Geoff, June 13, 2026, 04:11:32 AM

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Charlie_c67

Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 05:24:29 AM
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Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 04:48:24 AM
Quote from: Charlie_c67 on July 02, 2026, 09:06:34 AMI guess with the difference in metallurgical abilities between the two countries, not long if they could make it at all. More likely some sort of Soviet-fied version akin to the VK-1 and Nene.

The VK-1 was too wide so the AM-5 was slated for the clone according to the video

Knew I'd heard of the Russkie alternative, just couldn't think where, probably this video!

Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 04:51:55 AMI was also wondering about the armament  and settled on 3x 23mm. Thoughts?

On each side or in total?

In total, I decided the clone was to match the F-86 not a bomber destroyer, so the slow firing 37mm was no good - so 2x 23mm to starboard and 1x 23mm to port. The option would 6x 13.5mm MGs.


I'd have thought a pair of 23mm either side wouldn't be a problem. Might be better for weight distribution as well.
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Geoff

Quote from: Charlie_c67 on Yesterday at 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 05:24:29 AM
Quote from: Charlie_c67 on Yesterday at 04:57:23 AM
Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 04:48:24 AM
Quote from: Charlie_c67 on July 02, 2026, 09:06:34 AMI guess with the difference in metallurgical abilities between the two countries, not long if they could make it at all. More likely some sort of Soviet-fied version akin to the VK-1 and Nene.

The VK-1 was too wide so the AM-5 was slated for the clone according to the video

Knew I'd heard of the Russkie alternative, just couldn't think where, probably this video!

Quote from: Geoff on Yesterday at 04:51:55 AMI was also wondering about the armament  and settled on 3x 23mm. Thoughts?

On each side or in total?

In total, I decided the clone was to match the F-86 not a bomber destroyer, so the slow firing 37mm was no good - so 2x 23mm to starboard and 1x 23mm to port. The option would 6x 13.5mm MGs.


I'd have thought a pair of 23mm either side wouldn't be a problem. Might be better for weight distribution as well.

a good point

kerick

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zenrat

Why?

By '52 the MiG 19 was flying and the 17 was entering service.  And the 15 was the Sabre's equal anyway.   :unsure:

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.  Revelling in numptytism.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed, badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry.

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Old Wombat

Considering we're flashing our Sabres around, I thought I unsheath this one;



2× 30 mm ADEN cannons with 162 rounds per gun

And for anyone who thinks F-4 Phantoms have a lot of stencils, check the above image at max. size!
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Geoff

Quote from: zenrat on Today at 04:53:57 AMWhy?

By '52 the MiG 19 was flying and the 17 was entering service.  And the 15 was the Sabre's equal anyway.   :unsure:


Yep thats why the whole idea was canned.

Geoff

Quote from: Old Wombat on Today at 05:25:35 AMConsidering we're flashing our Sabres around, I thought I unsheath this one;



2× 30 mm ADEN cannons with 162 rounds per gun

And for anyone who thinks F-4 Phantoms have a lot of stencils, check the above image at max. size!

Yep, but a very expensive mod - probably the best Sabre in my book though