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Started by PR19_Kit, June 24, 2025, 03:06:40 PM

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Checking on an actual Merlin/prop setup at Tangmere Museum today, I noted that there's only one gear train between the crankshaft and the prop on a Merlin, so that means the engine rotates anti-clockwise viewed from the cockpit and the prop rotates clockwise.

But which has the most torque effect on the airframe?
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Old Wombat

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 18, 2025, 08:20:40 AMChecking on an actual Merlin/prop setup at Tangmere Museum today, I noted that there's only one gear train between the crankshaft and the prop on a Merlin, so that means the engine rotates anti-clockwise viewed from the cockpit and the prop rotates clockwise.

But which has the most torque effect on the airframe?

In the case of a piston engine - the prop.

The engine is mostly comprised of heavy bits going up-&-down, rather than round-&-round.

The round-&-round bits consist of the crankshaft, driveshaft & gear cogs, none of which are particularly well aligned for combining their forces into a cumulative torque effect. Of these the crankshaft produces almost no effective torque because its forces are fairly diffuse & unbalanced. The driveshaft produces very little because it's relatively small, light & narrow. This leaves the gear cogs to produce the most effective torque, which is significantly less than that of the prop (but which would reduce the overall torque at least a bit).

By the way, in which direction does the supercharger spin? :unsure:
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Quote from: Old Wombat on July 18, 2025, 09:21:03 AMBy the way, in which direction does the supercharger spin? :unsure:

Round and round  :wacko:

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Quote from: Charlie_c67 on July 18, 2025, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on July 18, 2025, 09:21:03 AMBy the way, in which direction does the supercharger spin? :unsure:

Round and round  :wacko:

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Wally!  :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Old Wombat on July 18, 2025, 09:21:03 AM...By the way, in which direction does the supercharger spin? :unsure:

In the case of this Merlin XX, if I read the drawing correctly the same direction as the crankshaft...
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PR19_Kit

I think you do read that correctly Fred.  :thumbsup:

An even number of gears in the train.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Quote from: zenrat on July 19, 2025, 04:06:27 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on July 18, 2025, 09:21:03 AM...By the way, in which direction does the supercharger spin? :unsure:

In the case of this Merlin XX, if I read the drawing correctly the same direction as the crankshaft...

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 19, 2025, 08:06:32 AMI think you do read that correctly Fred.  :thumbsup:

An even number of gears in the train.

If that's the case, then it imparts a slight reduction in the overall torque from the propeller.
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