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Thunderscreech - ish!

Started by kitbasher, June 06, 2025, 11:58:34 PM

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Rick Lowe

Quote from: Spino on June 11, 2025, 05:40:09 AM
Quote from: zenrat on June 11, 2025, 05:23:40 AMWasn't the Foghorn a Farley FAA proposal?
 :unsure:

Foghorn?  If it's British then that's actually a rather fitting name for a turboprop like this.

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NARSES2

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kitbasher

PSR round 2 complete, reasonably happy with the results.  Coat of Humbrol Hu56 slapped on as primer.

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However, try as I may I can't quite get the nose contours bang on.  Hopefully the slight irregularities will be masked by the prop blades.

Speaking of which, there's the 1/48 Airfix Hurricane de Havilland prop that'll be cut down.  Blue marker pen?  Daubed all over so I can't foul up the alignment.

And it won't be a contraprop.  And I won't be mixing paing to get 'Petter Blue'.

Anyway, main u/c legs attached, ditto u/c doors.  Need to dig out an EE Lightning nose wheel unit - not measured up but suspect the MiG-21 item will be too short, don't want the prop scraping the ground!
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scautomoton

you know, with a nose like that you could call it the Percival Pinocchio....
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jcf

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Contra-props wouldn't work in a Thunderscreech-ish supersonic propeller setup. The change in airflow direction between the fwd. and aft props would put extreme stress on the props and gearbox. The harmonics alone would probably tear it all apart. As to "torque" issues just do what was done with Allison T56/501, have the propeller rotate in the opposite direction to the engine core. All turboprops have a gearbox to drive the propeller, opposite rotation isn't a big deal.The Allison isn't the only
turboprop with that configuration. This is also done on multi-spool turbojets/turbofans, the turbine and compressor/fan stages are
contra-rotating.

Weaver

Nice one - that's a lot of work for a 1WkGB!  :thumbsup:

"Blackburn/Boulton-Paul Banshee" would be the obvious name, but McDonnell beat you to it and in the same timeframe too, unless you whiffjitsu the US aircraft out of existence. "Vickers Virago" was the second.

Bit of lateral thinking: how about "Folland Fandango", since it's principle feature is something that spins round a lot (the Fandango being a dance)?

Folland Fortissimo? (Musical term meaning "to play very loudly").

Folland Furore?

Folland Falchion? (A sword with a curved blade).
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kitbasher

Quick bit of combat modelling this morning.  Some touching up around the cockpit and nose, tyres painted and some 'Petter Blue' (aka Humbrol 48) applied.

More this evening, specifically the prop blades.

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: jcf on June 12, 2025, 06:19:57 PMContra-props wouldn't work in a Thunderscreech-ish supersonic propeller setup.


Spoil sport!

Just think how LOUD it would be?  ;D  :wacko:
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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zenrat

Quote from: jcf on June 12, 2025, 06:19:57 PM:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Contra-props wouldn't work in a Thunderscreech-ish supersonic propeller setup. The change in airflow direction between the fwd. and aft props would put extreme stress on the props and gearbox. The harmonics alone would probably tear it all apart. As to "torque" issues just do what was done with Allison T56/501, have the propeller rotate in the opposite direction to the engine core. All turboprops have a gearbox to drive the propeller, opposite rotation isn't a big deal.The Allison isn't the only
turboprop with that configuration. This is also done on multi-spool turbojets/turbofans, the turbine and compressor/fan stages are
contra-rotating.

Perhaps spacing the two sets of blades further apart than usual would mitigate the stresses allowing the components to survive. This thing has a nose long enough to allow that.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

NARSES2

I'm trying to work out how the pilot would be able to see in order to land it, let alone a name for it  :o

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Gondor

Quote from: NARSES2 on Yesterday at 06:18:38 AMI'm trying to work out how the pilot would be able to see in order to land it, let alone a name for it  :o


A very shallow landing angle
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kitbasher

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Quote from: Gondor on Yesterday at 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on Yesterday at 06:18:38 AMI'm trying to work out how the pilot would be able to see in order to land it, let alone a name for it  :o

A very shallow landing angle

Very carefully 😂
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PR19_Kit

Does the CAA allow 1 degree glide slopes? Or the MoD maybe?
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Weaver

Quote from: PR19_Kit on Yesterday at 09:37:21 AMDoes the CAA allow 1 degree glide slopes? Or the MoD maybe?

The MoD might allow it, right up until a delegation of homeowners who live under the glide slope turn up on their doorstep, shouting very loudly, partly because they're very angry and partly because they're all now deaf...
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jcf

Quote from: zenrat on Yesterday at 04:41:59 AM
Quote from: jcf on June 12, 2025, 06:19:57 PM:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Contra-props wouldn't work in a Thunderscreech-ish supersonic propeller setup. The change in airflow direction between the fwd. and aft props would put extreme stress on the props and gearbox. The harmonics alone would probably tear it all apart. As to "torque" issues just do what was done with Allison T56/501, have the propeller rotate in the opposite direction to the engine core. All turboprops have a gearbox to drive the propeller, opposite rotation isn't a big deal.The Allison isn't the only
turboprop with that configuration. This is also done on multi-spool turbojets/turbofans, the turbine and compressor/fan stages are
contra-rotating.

Perhaps spacing the two sets of blades further apart than usual would mitigate the stresses allowing the components to survive. This thing has a nose long enough to allow that.


Maybe if the blades of the fwd. prop were shorter than those of the aft prop. Half the length?