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1963 vintage Airfix E.E Lightning F.1A 1/72

Started by Pellson, October 20, 2024, 01:15:16 PM

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Pellson

As yet an example of my total inability to focus on one project at a time, when pondering the armament of my Lightning F.2B, I sort of reevaluated the F.6A as well. Given that I'm planning SARH Firestreaks for the F.2B, it seems logically reasonable to use a similar setup also for the F.6A, and as a consequence - here we are. A return to a polished steel intake ring will follow as well.

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Looking at the two Blue Jay Mk4 versions, it seems as they were very similar internally, i.e moving away from the complicated layout of the old Firestreak, instead using the more natural setup of the Red Top. This opens up not only for a smarter and cheaper missile design, but also for future evolution, such as common engine upgrades etc despite different homing methods and different wing/fin layout. Accordingly, one could also assume this would have lead to reasonably similar performances for speed and range, effectively creating sibling missiles, like many Russian systems.
Also, as a consequence, the two missiles should reasonably look at least somewhat alike, and accordingly, I have coloured them similarly. I think that turned out rather well too. 

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My intention is to use both types of missiles on both Lightning versions, the F.2B, as previously mentioned, having IR missiles (Blue Jay mk4/Red Top layout) under the outer wings and radar homing rounds (Blue Jay mk4/Firestreak layout) on the fuselage rails.
The F.6A, featuring the later, kinked wings with over-wing drop tanks, will have a second under-wing pylon as well, attached at the same spar as the tank, thus making room for a six-round missile load, in my case, again somewhat inspired from Russia (but most certainly without love) comprising two medium range SARH missiles (Blue Jay mk4/Firestreak layout), two medium range IR missiles (Blue Jay mk4/Red Top layout) and two short range dogfight missiles (AIM-9L).

If I ever get there..  :angel:

Yes, the old Matchbox missiles are rather hideous, but they match each other, at least, so this is what it'll be.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

NARSES2

I like the projected armament for the F.6A  :thumbsup:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

Pellson

Some minor progress:
The F.6A got her armament today. But it wasn't entirely straightforward.
As the location of the two extra pylons is directly in front of the landing gear troughs, longer missiles easily interfere with the gear retraction cycle, and to solve this, I had to be tad creative. Just moving the missile forward on the pylon didn't feel right, so instead, I decided to shift the missile somewhat outwards, towards the wingtip. Now, just moving the entire pylon would compromise the alignment with the attachment of the overwing drop tank (preferable from a load perspective) and also not solve the interference issue with the landing gear. Instead, I decided to do a somewhat French solution, angling the missile rail outwards, thereby moving the missile out of the way of the landing gear without having to shift the attachment point to the wing. Having made an angled shim and painted it up a bit, I glued the complete assembly on to the previously attached pylon, and I think it works.

Pics will follow.

About the proper subject for this thread, I have painted the undersides of the F.2B in the proper Light Aircraft Grey hue, and more will follow later, looking to create a somewhat darker scheme than used on the RAF Phantoms and interceptor Tornados.
 
But that's for another day. Now - off to sort some logistics for the kids.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Old Wombat

Any progress is good, but this sounds effective - So even betterer!  :thumbsup:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Pellson

Just a quick follow-up on the F.6A armament:

This is where it ended, and I'm sufficiently pleased to keep it this way.

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Now on to the F.2B that most likely will field two SARH Blue Jay Mk4's on the fuselage pylons, and two IR ones under the wing tips.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Old Wombat

It's weird but that image isn't coming up in the post nor if I try opening it in another tab, however I can see the thumbnail if I click on the link (with "Image Not Found" in the main display).

And just as I post that, the image comes up!  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Old Wombat

Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

PR19_Kit

Don't the Red Tops get in the way of the landing gear where they are mounted though?
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

zenrat

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..


Wardukw

Bloody hell that looks great Pellson 👍 👌
Now it makes me wonder where my one went  :unsure:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

buzzbomb

Ok that is loaded for Bear... TU-95 Bear that is  :thumbsup:

Pellson

Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 05, 2025, 02:16:53 AMDon't the Red Tops get in the way of the landing gear where they are mounted though?

That's why I canted the missile rails outwards.

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It's a close shave, still, but it should work.  ;)

Thanks for the shoutouts, chaps. Yep. Bear load it is.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

zenrat

Loaded for Badger just doesn't sound as good does it.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..