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BP Defiant
« on: December 18, 2019, 10:44:39 am »
I have seen a picture of a Defiant fighter sans turret and with wing cannon. Could the defiant handle the weight of wing guns along with the turret, or is it one or the other?

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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2019, 11:27:51 am »
Give it a long enough runway…………………….  ;D
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2019, 11:42:21 am »
Give it a long enough runway…………………….  ;D

Or longer wings ---  ;D
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2019, 12:58:52 pm »
There's the P.94 which flew, single seat, twelve .303s.  Alternative armament was four cannon plus four .303s.  I'm pretty sure it would be either-or with a Merlin

Upping the ante,  the P.96 was a Defiant with a Centaurus or Sabre.  There were five versions:
P.96A Sabre, two seat (back seat for AI radar operator), no turret, six fixed cannon.
P.96B Sabre, turret plus two fixed cannon.
P.96C Sabre, turret plus four fixed cannon with a slightly larger wing
P.96D version 1, Centaurus, two seat, no turret, six fixed cannon, larger wing.
P.96D version 2, Centaurus, turret plus four fixed cannon.
All had AI radar, the back seater operated it in the tandem seaters, pilot in the turreted aircraft.

If you do a Google image search for both types, you'll see plenty of pics.
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2019, 02:16:32 pm »
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2019, 02:24:02 pm »
I was thinking either a version of the P-94 with 2 20mm and a few 303s. Or a standard Defiant in Finnish service in place of the Roc. Not made up my mind yet.

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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2019, 02:30:23 pm »
Both sound good.  I've always thought they'd rationalise the armament down a bit, four plus four seems a lot for a Spitfire sized machine.
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 04:32:59 pm »
Stick a Griffon in it  :thumbsup:
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 04:42:22 pm »
I was thinking either a version of the P-94 with 2 20mm and a few 303s. Or a standard Defiant in Finnish service in place of the Roc. Not made up my mind yet.

If you're going that route, stick a Martin turret with .5's in it ---
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2019, 04:45:22 pm »
I was thinking either a version of the P-94 with 2 20mm and a few 303s. Or a standard Defiant in Finnish service in place of the Roc. Not made up my mind yet.

If you're going that route, stick a Martin turret with .5's in it ---

I do like that idea for an USAAC one

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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2019, 11:24:09 pm »
I've seen drawings for a 2x 20mm turret too.
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Re: BP Defiant
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2019, 01:44:47 pm »
There are a lot of Defiant drawings online, and quite a few whiffs too. Many of them on this forum (I had my wee Defiant phase myself). The airframe offers a lot of scope for creativity.