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Landkreuzers P1000 Ratte & P1500 Monster

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jcf

#30
March 26, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
IIRC Variation B that shows the 150s is from My Tank Is Fight, so I wouldn't take that configuration too seriously.
;D

seadude

#31
March 26, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on March 26, 2015, 08:31:04 PM
IIRC Variation B that shows the 150s is from My Tank Is Fight, so I wouldn't take that configuration too seriously.
;D

I'm not taking it seriously. But it's probably the most plausible configuration. It's hard to say what the Germans would have designed for the P1500 Monster. There's so little data, that anything is possible. Everything is speculative: Data, Concept sketches, Blueprints, artwork, etc., etc.
But Option B is the best shot there is for construction of a model right now.
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#32
March 26, 2015, 09:09:43 PM
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.

seadude

#33
March 27, 2015, 05:00:51 PM
According to Wikipedia, the P1000 Ratte never had Maus type tank turrets at the rear of the tank as secondary armament. So why is it I find a lot of drawings and/or other models that show them on the Ratte? Is it just that people like them so much that they'd rather believe the Ratte to have them? Or could Wikipedia have gotten it's information wrong? I don't think it would make sense for the Germans to propose a tank with even more large calibre guns at the rear. If the Ratte needs anything, then it's going to have to be smaller anti-aircraft guns on the hull to protect the Ratte from Allied fighters. Leave the other large calibre guns to other smaller tanks that might be escorting the Ratte.

But since I did buy 2 Ratte kits, I'll probably make one with 2 Maus turrets at the rear. Then make the other Ratte with just anti-aircraft guns only.
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#34
March 27, 2015, 05:44:13 PM
I like the idea of the AAguns only. Like you said, makes more sense that the smaller ( large )  calibreguns would be on the escorts. But then again, you do have two kits.... :drink:
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#35
March 27, 2015, 05:59:06 PM
I want the 144th Hanebu saucers to go with it!
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#36
March 27, 2015, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on March 27, 2015, 05:59:06 PM
I want the 144th Hanebu saucers to go with it!

I could order something. But I'm not really interested in creating any sort of diorama showing the Ratte with a bunch of Nazi flying saucers flying overhead. Nice thought, but I'm not keen on it at this time.
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Hobbes

#37
March 29, 2015, 10:36:05 AM
TomZ picked one up today, good grief it's big. In 1/144 it's a bit bigger than ordinary tanks in 1/35...

seadude

#38
March 29, 2015, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: Hobbes on March 29, 2015, 10:36:05 AM
TomZ picked one up today, good grief it's big. In 1/144 it's a bit bigger than ordinary tanks in 1/35...

Congrats to him.  :thumbsup: It's a nice kit. Good detail in some areas, but absent detail in other areas. But that's to be expected of a what if subject that never actually existed. ;) Only major gripe I have with the Takom kit is that the tank treads are in plastic. They are not rubber flexible treads.  :angry:  :angry:  This link here gives good close up pics of all the parts sprues and instruction sheet.
http://intscalemodeller.com/viewtopic.php?t=11725
Step # 1 in the instructions shows how the plastic treads are assembled. Pretty damn stupid IMO.  :banghead:
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rickshaw

#39
March 29, 2015, 10:31:39 PM
The tracks are assembled the same way most solid plastic tracks are assembled.

What surprises me is that they utilise three track width plates.  I can imagine large numbers of mines being employed to break the tracks.  I cannot imagine the Germans toting around too many 1,000+ ton jacks to lift the vehicle to allow them to fix/replace the tracks once they are broken!  I'd also imagine double/trebling/quadrupling the number of FlaK turrets on the vehicle, to fight off the Allied Typhoon/Tempest/B-17/B-29/Lancaster attacks...   :banghead:
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#40
March 30, 2015, 02:40:29 AM
Now all he needs is a squadron of fighter-bombers and medium bombers going after the bloody thing
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#41
March 30, 2015, 03:40:55 AM
Quote from: scooter on March 30, 2015, 02:40:29 AM
Now all he needs is a squadron of fighter-bombers and medium bombers going after the bloody thing

It's that big that a 1/144 Lancaster B1 (Special) carrying a Grand Slam would seem more appropriate. Or a few of them!  :o
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#42
April 04, 2015, 04:08:30 PM
I'm confused.  :unsure:  I've been checking the dimensions of the P1000, P1500, and the Gustav railway gun.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/16412379124/sizes/h/

If the P1500 is supposed to be so much bigger than the P1000 Ratte, then wouldn't the length be a lot longer than 138 feet? I'm not sure I agree with the Wikipedia dimensions on a lot of stuff. Something just doesn't seem right to me.  :unsure: I took some more pics comparing model parts today when laid next to a ruler. I'm not sure whether to use one or two T28 tank hulls when building the P1500 Monster. If I use a second hull, then I have additional back end space for loading and unloading of ammunition and adding of gantry cranes and catwalks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/16846934448/in/set-72157651415576566
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/16846934608/in/set-72157651415576566
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/16848532219/in/set-72157651415576566
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/16848532239/in/set-72157651415576566
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/17033918641/in/set-72157651415576566
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/17033918901/in/set-72157651415576566

And I don't know who built this, but it sure looks good.  :thumbsup: I think I read somewhere the scale might be around 1/72?
http://www.maquetland.com/upload/phototeque/images/6532/landkreuze_p1500_monster_profil_arriere_gauche.JPG
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pyro-manic

#43
April 04, 2015, 04:31:14 PM
80cm gun barrel length was 32.5m, which scales out to ~22.6cm in 1:144. Use that as a baseline, and scale the rest to fit that...?
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#44
April 04, 2015, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 30, 2015, 03:40:55 AM
Quote from: scooter on March 30, 2015, 02:40:29 AM
Now all he needs is a squadron of fighter-bombers and medium bombers going after the bloody thing

It's that big that a 1/144 Lancaster B1 (Special) carrying a Grand Slam would seem more appropriate. Or a few of them!  :o

Grand Slam seems like overkill....

I'm sure that Tallboys woudl do just fine.

And since it is so big, the Tallboy attack can be followed by a main force area raid....
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