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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2014, 05:22:37 am »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.

How do you know this stuff?

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2014, 09:26:54 am »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.

How do you know this stuff?


We know stuff like that by reading books such as TSR2 Britain's Lost Bomber and others such as BAC TSR2 Lost Tomorrows of an Eagle

Both of those books are a great read and contain loads of information.

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2014, 12:55:10 pm »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.

How do you know this stuff?

I've got a very handy book of RAF Serial Nos. from the very start when they were the RNAS and the RFC up to about 8 years ago. It lists every single aircraft and its serial no, and whether it was built or cancelled etc.

What's more important for a dedicated Whiff modeller is it also tells you the serial nos. that WEREN'T used, which means you can fit your Whiff model into the correct bit of history. That's where I found the 12 missing nos. from the Meteor NF14 production batch that I filched to use for the PR19s.  :thumbsup:
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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2014, 01:34:16 pm »

I've got a very handy book of RAF Serial Nos. from the very start when they were the RNAS and the RFC up to about 8 years ago. It lists every single aircraft and its serial no, and whether it was built or cancelled etc.

What's more important for a dedicated Whiff modeller is it also tells you the serial nos. that WEREN'T used, which means you can fit your Whiff model into the correct bit of history. That's where I found the 12 missing nos. from the Meteor NF14 production batch that I filched to use for the PR19s.  :thumbsup:


Now that is a very interesting book. What is it and where can I get one?

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2014, 04:49:34 am »
Thank you gentlemen.
I am aware of books, owning one or two myself (all I can afford at Australian prices) and I agree that they can contain interesting and useful information which if interesting or useful enough one does tend to retain.
I was however referring to Kit quoting serial numbers (not something one would retain - although you never know...).
Numbers which while useful in this case would not necessarily make for an interesting read (although I recognise that what is interesting is subjective).
I was not aware that the book in question had been produced.  I was aware of similar books containing train numbers though so I should have expected the existence of this book.
Indeed, while growing up my neighbour had a similar book containing civll aircraft numbers and every time one flew over he would rush outside with his binoculars to see if it was one he hadn't seen before so he could tick it off.





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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2014, 08:10:50 am »
[snip] ... although I recognise that what is interesting is objective ... [snip]

Actually, it's subjective ... but I understood what you meant, so all is good! :thumbsup:
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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2014, 02:57:50 pm »
The book is 'British Military Aircraft Serials 1878 -1987' (current printings may go further I guess) by Bruce Robertson, printed by Midland Counties (who else....) at 10.95 when I got it, ISBN No. 0-904597-61-X
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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2014, 07:24:04 pm »
[snip] ... although I recognise that what is interesting is subjective ... [snip]

Actually, it's subjective ... but I understood what you meant, so all is good! :thumbsup:

But that's what I said  ;) ;D

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2014, 01:27:08 am »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.

How do you know this stuff?

I've got a very handy book of RAF Serial Nos. from the very start when they were the RNAS and the RFC up to about 8 years ago. It lists every single aircraft and its serial no, and whether it was built or cancelled etc.

What's more important for a dedicated Whiff modeller is it also tells you the serial nos. that WEREN'T used, which means you can fit your Whiff model into the correct bit of history. That's where I found the 12 missing nos. from the Meteor NF14 production batch that I filched to use for the PR19s.  :thumbsup:

And a little thing called the "internet" lol. I believe it's getting quite popular in some places.

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2014, 01:53:08 am »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.



How do you know this stuff?


We know stuff like that by reading books such as TSR2 Britain's Lost Bomber and others such as BAC TSR2 Lost Tomorrows of an Eagle

Both of those books are a great read and contain loads of information.

Gondor

Or this website :-

http://www.ukserials.com/

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2014, 02:07:54 am »
The book is 'British Military Aircraft Serials 1878 -1987' (current printings may go further I guess) by Bruce Robertson, printed by Midland Counties (who else....) at 10.95 when I got it, ISBN No. 0-904597-61-X

Thank you Kit, I just ordered a copy from Amazon  :thumbsup:

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2014, 02:08:55 am »
It would be tricky finding the serials for RAF F111s with that website if you didn't know where to start.
Which I wouldn't.
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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2014, 04:56:00 am »
Typed in "F-111K" into Google and this was about 3 or 4 down, after the ubiquious Wikipedia

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f111_13.html

TC, I wouldn't fit Red Tops for 2 reasons. 
1) as you say, you are going to make it a trainer
2) the K was based on the A which was a bomber, hence ground tracking radar. The shorter nosed B was to have been the fighter version.
3) as the found out with the Phantom, fitting all the priming and cooling equipment for the Red Tops takes up a lot of space (altho at least this has a bomb bay )

and, yes, I know that's 3 point, but I never said I could count..... ;D

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2014, 05:02:29 am »
One problem I am having is finding out if any serial codes were allocated to any possible RAF F-111 buy? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can let me know.

Yes, they were. There were four TF-111Ks serialled XV884-887 and 46 F-111Ks serialled XV902-947, so lots to chose from.

Only two were actually built, and they weren't completed, but I'm sot sure if they were TF-111Ks or F-111Ks.



How do you know this stuff?


We know stuff like that by reading books such as TSR2 Britain's Lost Bomber and others such as BAC TSR2 Lost Tomorrows of an Eagle

Both of those books are a great read and contain loads of information.

Gondor

Or this website :-

http://www.ukserials.com/

Surprised you didn't know that one Alastair   :o

Oh you know me Thorvic, Half a step ahead on some things and two behind on others.  :blink:

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Re: American Tiger
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2014, 08:11:22 am »
Typed in "F-111K" into Google and this was about 3 or 4 down, after the ubiquious Wikipedia

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f111_13.html

TC, I wouldn't fit Red Tops for 2 reasons. 
1) as you say, you are going to make it a trainer
2) the K was based on the A which was a bomber, hence ground tracking radar. The shorter nosed B was to have been the fighter version.
3) as the found out with the Phantom, fitting all the priming and cooling equipment for the Red Tops takes up a lot of space (altho at least this has a bomb bay )

and, yes, I know that's 3 point, but I never said I could count..... ;D

Cheers for the pointers Paul.  :thumbsup:

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Was going to do drill rounds rather than the real thing, but without the pylons in place, there`s really nowhere else to put `em.  :banghead:
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