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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2021, 01:06:46 pm »
I simply don't have the time to do everything.
I dunno, you do a good impression of a modeller capable of just about any transformation in no time. I bet if I got a FD3 to you the week before Telford itíd show up finished and immaculate

You just KNOW that's going to be HUGE!  :o

I think, and Iím prepared to be corrected here, that the P.8 was the smallest of the competitors. SR P.187 was the biggest but the AW169 was more slender but similar length and span & the FD3 was only slightly smaller. There is a great diagram in plan view in Tony Wilsonís Lightning book of all the competitors at the same scale

I think a lot of people on this site have experienced that "F155T itch" at some point and now you're basically their dealer lol

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #106 on: September 16, 2021, 01:40:57 pm »

Most recent update on the Fairey Delta 3 and the distinctive droop snoot




Looks very nice indeed, but not untill next year thanks....

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #107 on: September 16, 2021, 03:00:44 pm »
I simply don't have the time to do everything.
I dunno, you do a good impression of a modeller capable of just about any transformation in no time. I bet if I got a FD3 to you the week before Telford itíd show up finished and immaculate.

You can blame Wooksta! for spotting my nascent 3D printer whiffery obsession and then adding fuel to the embers

I probably could, provided it arrived the Friday before. If that's a challenge then you're on!

Would have to be a simple scheme, but I'd be aiming for the cover of the first British Secret Projects book.

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2021, 12:42:22 pm »
AS shown in my own thread, the P187 is done!

Shown with a Freightdog SR177 as a size comparison.
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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2021, 12:48:13 pm »
AS shown in my own thread, the P187 is done!

Shown with a Freightdog SR177 as a size comparison.

But I guess dimensionally itís not much different to the CF-105 and overall a tad smaller than the EE P12.  But it is a chunky monkey!
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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2021, 01:52:54 pm »
If that's a challenge then you're on!

We'll just have to see what happens, house renovations are going to be pretty full on over the next couple of weeks but I'll do my best

AS shown in my own thread, the P187 is done!

Looks brilliant! I love it (and am very jealous that I've not been able to do one yet) will have to get more of these out and into folks' hands over the next couple of weeks

But I guess dimensionally itís not much different to the CF-105 and overall a tad smaller than the EE P12.  But it is a chunky monkey!

You think? I thought it was some 20ft longer than the Canberra and a heck of a lot thicker around the middle. Anyone building the set of this, the FD3 and the Armstrong Whitworth competitor is going to have to set aside a LOT of shelf space

Meanwhile in other progress the revised Armstrong Whitworth AW58 delta is coming together (build is by @the_dunc_works on instagram) although my work on the wing to fuselage join is a bit clumsy and required the use of a kid to square it up and hold till the glue set

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2021, 12:15:34 am »
AS shown in my own thread, the P187 is done!

Shown with a Freightdog SR177 as a size comparison.

So when it ran out of missiles did it just swallow the odd bomber or two with that huge gaping maw of an intake ?  ;) And I'm only half joking.

In all seriousness, and this is not my period of real interest so I'm not that familiar with the projects of the time, but I've always been rather surprised by the seemingly lack of armament carried by these types. A couple of missiles, four at best ?, against a swarm of Soviet bombers. It's as though those in charge knew they had no chance but still had to put up some form of token defence plan to calm the general public ?

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #112 on: September 20, 2021, 04:35:56 am »

So when it ran out of missiles did it just swallow the odd bomber or two with that huge gaping maw of an intake ? 


And there's another one on the other side too!  :o
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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #113 on: September 20, 2021, 04:55:08 am »

So when it ran out of missiles did it just swallow the odd bomber or two with that huge gaping maw of an intake ?  ;) And I'm only half joking.

In all seriousness, and this is not my period of real interest so I'm not that familiar with the projects of the time, but I've always been rather surprised by the seemingly lack of armament carried by these types. A couple of missiles, four at best ?, against a swarm of Soviet bombers. It's as though those in charge knew they had no chance but still had to put up some form of token defence plan to calm the general public ?

20 years later the comparable Mig-25 could only carry 4 missiles and still put the wind up every Western defence analyst
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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #114 on: September 20, 2021, 06:22:23 am »

So when it ran out of missiles did it just swallow the odd bomber or two with that huge gaping maw of an intake ?  ;) And I'm only half joking.

In all seriousness, and this is not my period of real interest so I'm not that familiar with the projects of the time, but I've always been rather surprised by the seemingly lack of armament carried by these types. A couple of missiles, four at best ?, against a swarm of Soviet bombers. It's as though those in charge knew they had no chance but still had to put up some form of token defence plan to calm the general public ?

20 years later the comparable Mig-25 could only carry 4 missiles and still put the wind up every Western defence analyst

Very true, but could NATO have put up even a tenth of the bombers it assumed the Soviets could ? Plus "we" also assumed that "they" could fly all the aircraft "we" thought they had  ;) Gets complicated, far easier to think of it as a way of justifying defence expenditure and maintaining the size of "your" departmental budget. Can you tell I've done business with a few Government departments in my time ? :angel:

Seriously though they look cracking kits and I'm looking forward to seeing them on the SIG table at Telford  :thumbsup: There are some interesting British mid 40's projects that never got off the drawing board you know  ;) ;D

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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #115 on: September 20, 2021, 06:45:30 am »

But I guess dimensionally itís not much different to the CF-105 and overall a tad smaller than the EE P12.  But it is a chunky monkey!

You think? I thought it was some 20ft longer than the Canberra and a heck of a lot thicker around the middle. Anyone building the set of this, the FD3 and the Armstrong Whitworth competitor is going to have to set aside a LOT of shelf space


Well, just checked the dimensions and honestly I thought it would be shorter than a P.12.  Shows how much I know - or rather don't! 
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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #116 on: September 20, 2021, 07:10:00 am »

In all seriousness, and this is not my period of real interest so I'm not that familiar with the projects of the time, but I've always been rather surprised by the seemingly lack of armament carried by these types. A couple of missiles, four at best ?, against a swarm of Soviet bombers. It's as though those in charge knew they had no chance but still had to put up some form of token defence plan to calm the general public ?


- these were Red Deans, which are massive, which limits the number you can carry.
- radar-guided missiles at that time had to be guided to their target: the aircraft had to point its radar at the target and the missile would follow the reflections. This limited the number of missiles you could fire in the time available for an intercept. IR missiles and later radar-guided AAMs like AMRAAM are fire-and-forget, which don't have this limitation.


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Re: Lost Cosmonauts' 3D printed what-if playthings and emporium
« Reply #117 on: September 20, 2021, 07:21:44 am »
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