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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1980 on: May 14, 2019, 02:00:18 am »
Well, the P-51 wing was actually a Curtiss design, and originally had plans on installing it on a version of the P-40. North American bought the rights to it when the BPC* had asked them to produce P-40s for them but North American declined but then said well build you a better airplane.  One of the reasons why NAA was able to build the Mustang Prototype in 120 days --- the rest is history ---

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I knew about the "120 days" bit - I didn't know the wing was designed by Curtiss-Wright. 

Thanks!  That's my new thing to learn for today!  :angel:

I have also heard - I've forgotten the source now - that NAA had a peek at the plans for the Bf-109, in the "before the US was in the war" days, and that was also a great help to the design of the Mustang.  I don't know the truth to that, and I've been searching for back-up evidence - so far none found.

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1981 on: May 14, 2019, 07:38:29 am »

I have also heard - I've forgotten the source now - that NAA had a peek at the plans for the Bf-109, in the "before the US was in the war" days, and that was also a great help to the design of the Mustang.  I don't know the truth to that, and I've been searching for back-up evidence - so far none found.


As in 'NO way are we going to build such a stupidly narrow main gear as THAT!'
Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1982 on: May 14, 2019, 11:58:15 am »

I have also heard - I've forgotten the source now - that NAA had a peek at the plans for the Bf-109, in the "before the US was in the war" days, and that was also a great help to the design of the Mustang.  I don't know the truth to that, and I've been searching for back-up evidence - so far none found.


As in 'NO way are we going to build such a stupidly narrow main gear as THAT!'

I'm afraid that is a bit of a myth.

From wiki;

Fueled by a striking similarity of the early Mustang and the German Messerschmitt Bf 109 - pilots and ground crews of both sides confused the two aircraft - and Schmued's German origin, an urban legend has grown up, claiming he had once worked for Willy Messerschmitt and that the Mustang was heavily influenced by the Bf 109. Neither claim is true but the urban legend persists.[4] Schmued's team at NAA did receive, disassemble and inspect the first captured Bf 109 from the Spanish Civil War in 1939, and he regularly received copies of German Aeronautical Engineering Journals through 1941 supplied by Jim McGowan, ALCOA's consulting sales engineer.[5]

The designer was Edgar Schmued

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Schmued
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1983 on: May 28, 2019, 09:50:54 am »
Stumbled on this from /r/weirdwings, a passenger variant of the unsuccessful PZL M-15 Belphegor... twin boom, triple fuselage, single engine biplane (what a mouthful!). 

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/btu4mn/one_of_many_extremely_weird_pzl_m15_belphegor/
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1984 on: May 28, 2019, 09:53:43 am »
 :wub: :wub: :wub: wonderful! Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1985 on: May 28, 2019, 11:03:10 am »

just magic !  :o ;D :thumbsup:

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1986 on: May 28, 2019, 11:06:37 am »
That is just so Soviet Union, and wonderfull. I love it to bits, but then I have always liked the Belphegor anyway>  :thumbsup:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1987 on: May 28, 2019, 02:14:05 pm »
Awesome machine, but shouldn't it be in an Aeroflot scheme?  ;)
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1988 on: May 31, 2019, 02:52:54 am »
The "Germanness" of Mustang was also a British propaganda piece. Apparently there's one "Major Herman", supposedly a big name in German Aviation scene before the breakout of the war, knowing everything on anything. With claims Udet was the biggest tech wizard in Germany and his death makes sure Germany would löse. Perhaps one should look at that and see whether he had produced any rumours that the Wildepferde would  have  been Bf-110. If Goering had any brains...

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1989 on: June 02, 2019, 11:32:39 am »
On Pinterest I have found beautiful Corsairs and Buffallos with central engine like Airacobra:
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/636837203539135063/
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1990 on: June 05, 2019, 06:32:36 pm »
A whif that might be out, but I haven't seen "live" yet:

More here.

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1991 on: June 05, 2019, 07:03:27 pm »
Great in line engined Corsair! (even if I would remove the nose radiator, for beauty) :unsure:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1992 on: June 06, 2019, 06:55:23 am »
I DO like the look of that.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1993 on: June 14, 2019, 01:36:30 am »
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #1994 on: June 14, 2019, 02:18:11 am »
I think we can all agree that after the apocalypse fuel is going to be hard to come by.
In which case, why is the first thing people do usually to modify a big thirsty vehicle?  In the case of Mad Mad they even add extra engines and superchargers to make them even thirstier.
Reality is more likely to be a Prius with solar panels and a hand cranked generator.

OK.  Soap box going away now.

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