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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2160 on: November 11, 2019, 01:42:36 pm »
Found this while looking for stuff on Meteors.



Sort of Meteor meets Spitfire meets P-59.

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2161 on: November 11, 2019, 02:12:13 pm »
I like that,  I  think it needs to be made by someone.  :wub:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2162 on: November 11, 2019, 05:09:38 pm »
I like that,  I  think it needs to be made by someone.  :wub:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2163 on: November 11, 2019, 06:30:36 pm »
Looks a lot like the Bell XP-83:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2164 on: November 12, 2019, 06:09:21 am »
But with Spitfire wings and a fin from something else.

Does anyone do a kit of the XP-83?
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2165 on: November 12, 2019, 06:55:40 am »

Does anyone do a kit of the XP-83?

According to the PAK-20 book, an outfit called KR Models did a vacuform of it back in the 80's.  But I seem to remember there's another outfit too, it appeared after the XP-59's did. EDIT: it was Anigrand   :banghead:

https://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/preview/anigrand/aa2054preview.htm

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kr-models-bell-xp-83--266754
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2166 on: November 12, 2019, 08:12:59 am »
Hmm, good links there Robert, thanks.  :thumbsup:

I'm tempted, but the $48 for the Anigrand kit causes some pause for thought.
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2167 on: November 13, 2019, 06:33:36 am »
Yup I've built the Anigrand kit and it's a big aircraft.

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2168 on: November 26, 2019, 06:49:42 pm »
Posted on Twitter by Trev Clark @TrevClark1958 here: https://twitter.com/TrevClark1958/status/1199269157457530880?s=20

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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2169 on: November 26, 2019, 07:00:05 pm »
 :wub: :wub: I knew this twin-boom project, thanks to remind it. The position of the cockpit at the top of the tail is wonderfully unusual (like on an Airspeed twin-boom propeller plane).
I am surprised by the word "refueling": I thought that, like on a submarine (or aircraft carrier ship) with nuclear reactor, the range was several times around the World and refueling happens only once a year or two years, no? :unsure: ;D
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2170 on: November 26, 2019, 07:24:42 pm »
Posted on Twitter by Trev Clark @TrevClark1958 here: https://twitter.com/TrevClark1958/status/1199269157457530880?s=20

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then, why not put it forward?



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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2171 on: November 27, 2019, 05:47:45 am »
Interesting Harold  :thumbsup:

Mind you I have never been able to grasp how a nuclear powered aircraft would work ? Many people have explained it to me, but my brain just won't or can't deal with it for some reason ?  :unsure:
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« Reply #2172 on: November 27, 2019, 08:47:47 am »
I have never been able to grasp how a nuclear powered aircraft would work ? Many people have explained it to me, but my brain just won't or can't deal with it for some reason ?  :unsure:
It seems a jet with jet exhaust, but without fuel nor kerosene to explode and eject on the rear, I also don't know what the heat of the nuclear fission would do on this air at high speed. :unsure:
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2173 on: November 27, 2019, 05:02:03 pm »
Interesting Harold  :thumbsup:

Mind you I have never been able to grasp how a nuclear powered aircraft would work ? Many people have explained it to me, but my brain just won't or can't deal with it for some reason ?  :unsure:

Well instead of using burning fuel to heat up the air in your gas turbines, you use the heat from the reactor instead. There are, broadly, two ways of doing this:

Direct Cycle.
This is where the intake air is passed directly through the core of the reactor, cooling it and getting heated up in the process.
Upsides: lowest weight, highest heat transfer, relatively simple.
Downsides: highly radioactive exhaust.

Indirect Cycle.
This is where the reactor is cooled by fluid in a closed, regenerative system, where the heat exchanger that cools the fluid heats the intake air.
Upsides: less radioactive exhaust.
Downsides: higher weight, lower efficiency, higher complication.
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Re: Whiffs found surfing
« Reply #2174 on: November 27, 2019, 07:29:06 pm »
Thanks for the explanation, helping me a little understanding.
But my understanding is not complete: a jet principle is not (according to my little knowledge) based on "heating up" air. The principle is a violent explosion, directed rearward. For the rocket engine, the front end is closed, no air but liquid oxygen or other oxidizer chemical. For a turbojet, the oxygen for the explosion is provided by compressed air, the rest is the same. Heating air seems not enough, without explosion, to make a big speed, yes?
That possible legend of heating air (for hiding the secret Truth? what-if...) reminds me the mistake of René Descartes, the inventor of the Cartesian spirit (pretended to be logical): he said he proved that the heart (on humans and animals) is a heating machine, transforming cold blood into warm blood, which makes it move. Now biologists say this was all wrong, the heart is a mechanical pump with valves. So, is the nuclear air jet just a heating machine? Maybe... or what-if it was different? ;)
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