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How about using the Chassis for a more modern APC than the Saracen?  Room was pretty tight in there.  Extend the sides over the wheels for internal stowage, reposition the engine & mount the cab in the extreme front, something like the Fuchs?
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The tracked Tigercat in BSP4 seems to have a radar tracker. If only optical tracking was used, then the mounting could be smaller.

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If the Saladin used that IDF 60mm HV gun,would the turret have to be a bit bigger for the recoil of the weapon?

I could see the Alvis Stalwart being converted into a tracked cargo carrier It would steer like a tank Not sure if that variant would still be an amphib
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Could a Saladin carry the low-recoil 105mm gun I've seen mentioned elsewhere?  Just asking as I'm not that familiar with the family (though they look like they'd be perfect for LA freeways).
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If the Saladin used that IDF 60mm HV gun,would the turret have to be a bit bigger for the recoil of the weapon?

I could see the Alvis Stalwart being converted into a tracked cargo carrier It would steer like a tank Not sure if that variant would still be an amphib

Just use the entire 60mm turret on the Saladin. 

Tracked Stalwart?  OY!  Almost as bad as putting wheels on an M113 :^)  But it might be worth a try. 
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Mossie: Cheers for the sci-fi pic - that's from the Judge Dredd movie isn't it?

The LAST thing I'd do with a Saladin is put the driver over, or near, the front wheels, given that mines are one of the primary IED threats. I think the "old fashioned" layout like you seen on the Saladin/Hanomag/BTR-152 is actually worth re-inventing, if anything. Probably the best, most modern-looking interpretation of it was the Dutch YP-408:



General Zod: the IMI-designed turret for the 60mm HV gun was really small, so I couldn't see it being a problem to fit it to the Saladin turret, which is really quite roomy. The Israeli turret was fitted to an M113 for trials, and looked smaller and lower than the Saladin turret in the same application. Another proposed application of the 60mm was to the M-24 Chaffee light tank, which doesn't have a very big turret.
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Didn't know about that one, like it, the stretched limo version of the Saracen!  Yeah, the pics are of a Saracen converted for the Judge Dredd movie.  Looking forward to your Sci-Fi Saracen, it's moon-buggy looks would fit in.
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Didn't know about that one, like it, the stretched limo version of the Saracen!  Yeah, the pics are of a Saracen converted for the Judge Dredd movie.  Looking forward to your Sci-Fi Saracen, it's moon-buggy looks would fit in.

It's a Saladin rather than a Saracen, and don't hold your breath - what I have in mind is a diorama, and I have to find lots of other bits yet.....
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Nope, it's a Saracen!  The Saracen was the APC, the Saladin the armoured car, honest!
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I've just had a thought, how about a standard truck as an alternative to the Stalwart, without the Amphibious capability?  The Salamander would be a good basis, just replace the rear section with a flatbed or the required equipment.  It'd give the British Army a go anywhere capability as well as having some niche civilian applications.
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I got the movie "Doomsday" from Netflix a few weeks back.  Rhona Mitra and company ride into Scotland in these big 8x8 APCs.  I wracked my brain trying to figure out what off-brand vehicle they were, only to find in the making-of video that they were designed and built, from scratch, by the movie producers.  I only mention it here because they vaguely resemble the "Judge Dredd" vehicle posted above.

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PMMS has updated the Accurate Armour page to show the new Alvis Stalwart kits that are now available:

K160 Alvis Stalwart Mk-2 HMLC (link to image)

K161 Alvis Stalwart R.A. Limber (link to image: link to image)

K162 Alvis Stalwart REME Fitters vehicle(link to image)
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The Stalwart and family is one thing Airfix should look at kitting in 1/35.
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Don't think you'll see it, Airfix have always been into 1/76 armour traditionally.  Any 1/35 kits they have released have usually been someone elses.  I'd like to see them expand on the JB Models range, rumour was that the guy had plans to make some other kits & got so far with some of them.  I seem to remember he had a Stolly, Bedford RL & a Rapier missile system on his website as future projects, among others.  A Stolly would be good to add to their Saracen & Saladin.  A Salamander would be nice but probably stretching it!
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Shame somebody doesn't make 1960's/70's vintage British infantry to go with all these, isn't it?
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