F4u Rcn Korean War

Started by wolfik, February 13, 2007, 11:24:03 AM

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Jeffry Fontaine

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QuoteThat's a stunning build you have there. But can I just point out one small thing if you'd permit me?

The prop clearance seems very small, on take off, it the the tail lifts first, the prop would hit the ground. I think it needs a little more added to the undercarriage legs or a small bit removed from the prop.

Other than that, it's excellent!  :)
It is a wicked combination of several aircraft components and of course, Peter is still the master at creating something really wonderful out of them.  I would concur with Sea Vixen's observations on the large propeller arc, this could be a problem on a real aircraft but here in WHIF world, not so much of a problem.  

The propeller is huge, rightfully so if the engine has been upgraded, it would need a bigger wheel to spin just to take advantage of the additional horsepower available.  At idle, the clearance is not a point, but if the aircraft is taking off from a catapult, it would nto be a problem as the launch bridle would keep the aircraft in the tail down position but on land, that would be a different story and it would matter.  The first thing that came to mine when I saw it was will the propeller arc clear the guns?  If not, then either the propeller needs a bit of cutting down on diameter or the guns need to be moved outboard.  With a propeller that large, the vertical and horizontal control surfaces should be enlarged to maintain directional control as well as the increase in torque.  

Your rockets are wicked, looking like a better design of the 11.75''/330mm Tiny Tim Forward Firing Aircraft Rockets which weighed in at slightly over 1000 pounds with a 500 pound armor piercing bomb modified to be the warhead.  Wicked looking and plenty of them, always good!
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Dork the kit slayer

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so far so good...thats a really nice concept........Ive got to agree with the prop clearance issue though ( no offense).......looking fwd to the finished pics. :cheers:
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Ian the Kiwi Herder

Echoeing what Dork and Jeffrey have said - perhaps just cropping the tip of the props would be an answer - but that's up-to-you. Fantastic concept, very reminiscent of the F2G, and there's nothing wrong with that !

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famvburg

QuoteEchoeing what Dork and Jeffrey have said - perhaps just cropping the tip of the props would be an answer - but that's up-to-you. Fantastic concept, very reminiscent of the F2G, and there's nothing wrong with that !

Ian

    My 2 cents on the prop. One has to take into account the fact that as the a/c's speed builds up on take-off, the gear strut oleos extend as weight is taken off, thereby giving more clearance. Also, a common practice would be like modified WWII a/c used in air racing, simply maintaining a slightly tail-low take off attitude. For land use, the gear oleo struts could just be inflated to increase their length. The fix for the F4U's 'built-in bounce' when making carrier landings was to lower the pressure in the struts. Most older F4U kits show them inaccurately with extended oleo struts, when in practice they are supposed to be 'flat'. Also, regarding the F2G & its larger prop, the airframe was not really lengthened by accomodating the 4 row R-4360, the fuselage was actually shortened & the overall length stayed about the same. I've been working on an 'AU-2' myself, tho only using a Skyraider cowl & prop.

Jeffry Fontaine

I say leave the propeller the same size and move the cannons outboard of the propeller arc.  That way you can keep that big propeller and still have a plausible location for the cannons without the danger of shooting up the propeller blades.  
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famvburg

QuoteI say leave the propeller the same size and move the cannons outboard of the propeller arc.  That way you can keep that big propeller and still have a plausible location for the cannons without the danger of shooting up the propeller blades.

    Are the cannons within the prop arc? I can't see them being that close.

AeroplaneDriver

As far as ground clearance on the prop...love the prop, so maybe a slight gear extension?

As for the rest...love the spinner, love the canopy, love the long nose. :wub:

Not 100% sure about the weapons.  I think HVARs might look better.

Cant wait to see RCN markings on her.
So I got that going for me...which is nice....

AeroplaneDriver

oh yeah, almost forgot...with that massive prop, perhaps a slight rudder extension would look the part too.
So I got that going for me...which is nice....

Supertom

I love the big rockets - can you show us your cordless screwdriver technique sometime?  Also, I'm very interested in how you chopped the spine off and rebuilt it.  

PS Don't show this to Brian or he'll demand that you put spats on it.  :ph34r:  
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cthulhu77

What a beautiful build !  Reading over the posts, though, it seems like a bunch of us have gotten the "critique" bug pretty bad.

  Looking forward to seeing this one finished, and like SuperTom, I would like to see how you built those rockets...they are super.

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Styrene magic: pure and simple.  So good it is nearly painful with anticipation to watch.

May I add my request to the others: please show us how you make such ordnance (you just know I'd start with something about 4 inches in diameter and whittle it down to final shape).  

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Brian da Basher

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PS Don't show this to Brian or he'll demand that you put spats on it.  :ph34r:
It's a proven fact that spats increase the coolness factor of any aircraft by 1000%!

The coolness factor of this aircraft is completely off the scale! Those rockets are the work of a true craftsman. Another gem, wolfik!

Just remember, everything goes better with spats! :wub:

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wolfik

#28
hi all! thanks for the comments!  :cheers:
for first...the prop has a ground clearance of 13mm...its 1mm less like the normal corsair prop...I added some mm to the struts...as mentioned...its hydraulically telescopic... ;)
the diameter of the bigger prop dont overlap the firing line of the cannons.
the second  is...I mentioned the rockets are about 8mm...its a mistake..sorry...its ca.4.8mm in diameter what are ca.9inch in oryginal...and because I have photos which shows an Korean War AU-1 with three 250lbs bombs under each wing so I think...its possible to carry a 300lbs rocket under a strenghtened wing and with an engine having 1500 horsepower more...
by the way...a AGM-12 Bulpup is something smaller and it weights 250lbs.
best regards! :cheers:
Peter

about the rudder extension...yes...its in work  B)  

Ginge!

Beautiful as always Peter, thanks so much for taking the time to share your work!

The rockets have a very Canadian look to them - they remind me of what 1 Rkt Bty RCA used in WW2; the 'Land Mattress':