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Mini "American" Landkreuzer

Started by seadude, December 29, 2024, 09:30:14 AM

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Andrew Gorman

#30
As shown above, battleship turrets go WAY down, multiple stories.  The US Navy built this gantry crane to swap out turrets right as battleships showed themselves to be obsolete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter%27s_Point_crane

seadude

Quote from: Andrew Gorman on May 24, 2026, 06:06:14 PMAs shown above, battleship turrets go WAY down, multiple stories. 

Yes, battleship turrets do go down multiple "decks/levels". But that may not necessarily be the case for my proposed model.
There's generally at least 2 shell decks and 1-2 powder handling decks for the 16" gun turrets on an Iowa class battleship. But for an Americanized Landkreuzer, I think one shell deck and one powder deck are all that's needed. This tank isn't going to be able to carry a huge amount of projectiles and powder. Interior space will be limited. And I can also create a "raised" level on top of the Churchill tank chassis for the 16" gun turret to sit on similar to the raised angled section on the TAKOM Landkreuzer as shown below.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

Andrew Gorman

That will work!  It's a whiff after all. 

perttime

How do those big guns handle the recoil - which must be significant?
It must at least rock the vehicle a bit.

kerick

It cracked one of the turret rings on the USS Missouri way back when.
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Rick Lowe

Quote from: perttime on May 25, 2026, 08:32:24 PMHow do those big guns handle the recoil - which must be significant?
It must at least rock the vehicle a bit.

That's IIRC why they can mount bigger guns on something sea-going, or in a fixed land installation - there's a whole Planet to absorb the recoil, not just a small (er) tank chassis.

kerick

#36
At least in a place where it can be sunk down to the rock. Clay with a little moisture is just like play doh.
There were those photos of an Iowa class firing a broadside with the water looking like the ship moved sideways. Turns out it's the shockwave from the guns churning up waves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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PR19_Kit

Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
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seadude

Quote from: perttime on May 25, 2026, 08:32:24 PMHow do those big guns handle the recoil - which must be significant?
It must at least rock the vehicle a bit.

I've seen plenty of artist interpretations of the larger German P1500 Landkreuzer where the vehicle has some sort of extendable support legs on either side of the vehicle, presumeably to handle the recoil of the guns as you mentioned. Sample pictures are below. But would the smaller P1000 Ratte Landkreuzer need them? I don't know. I've never seen any sketches or artwork showing any recoil handling system for the smaller P1000 Landkreuzer.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

perttime

#39
Quote from: seadude on May 26, 2026, 07:08:46 AM
Quote from: perttime on May 25, 2026, 08:32:24 PMHow do those big guns handle the recoil - which must be significant?
It must at least rock the vehicle a bit.

I've seen plenty of artist interpretations of the larger German P1500 Landkreuzer where the vehicle has some sort of extendable support legs on either side of the vehicle, presumeably to handle the recoil of the guns as you mentioned. ...
Looks like the gun pretty much fires where the Landkreuzer points - but the legs are towards the sides???. I see something behind the Landkreuzer. That could be for supporting it during recoil, much like regular field artillery has legs towards the rear.


PR19_Kit

Quote from: Rick Lowe on May 26, 2026, 10:05:57 PMAnd would have left a bit of a mark at the target...  ;D


If there was any of the 'target' left......................  :o
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit