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Overthinking it again

Started by Geoff, November 28, 2025, 12:31:00 PM

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Geoff

Ok, this is an idea I have been playing with...

Poland built Migs under license as Lim-1, 1.5, (yes really), 2, 5 and 6.
I cannot find any info on proposed Lim-3 or 4, although Lim-7 was slated for early Mig-21's.

As the Lim 5 was a Mig-17F - how about an early Mig-17 as a Lim-4? Or am I overthinking it? 

Thorvic

What if they were earmarked for Sukhoi or Yaks as opposed to Mig variants ?
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Wardukw

Quote from: Geoff on November 28, 2025, 12:31:00 PMOk, this is an idea I have been playing with...

Poland built Migs under license as Lim-1, 1.5, (yes really), 2, 5 and 6.
I cannot find any info on proposed Lim-3 or 4, although Lim-7 was slated for early Mig-21's.

As the Lim 5 was a Mig-17F - how about an early Mig-17 as a Lim-4? Or am I overthinking it? 
YA might as well just stick with the F model Geoff mate ,,the F was the first production version in 1959 .
Russia did build one called the Mig21 but that was not even built in any real numbers at all ,,5 in total before they decided to build a more advanced model ,, the F
So technically specking a Lim 3 or 4 would be F model aircraft Mig21 anyway .
If you were demented enough like yours truly then why not go later again with a Lim 8 or 9 ??  ;)
Then you could go with a Gen 2 aircraft ,,,also Gen 2 Mig21 models are very easy to get in that weird little 72nd scale and the proper one 48th  :thumbsup:      :wacko:
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Quote from: Thorvic on November 28, 2025, 03:09:02 PMWhat if they were earmarked for Sukhoi or Yaks as opposed to Mig variants ?

I cannot find any reference for these designations at all - still a good start on wif ideas as the Soviets would not give the Poles a production license for Mig-21F-13s as they would not buy Yak-27R recce planes, hence the unused Lim-7 designation.

Hmm _ Perhaps an Su-7 as a Lim  :mellow:  with a few "modifications" perhaps? Must check service dates.

(Edit- Nope Su-7s flew '64 - 8 years after Lim-5; However the Il-28 fits perfectly.)


Geoff

Quote from: Wardukw on November 28, 2025, 03:15:08 PM
Quote from: Geoff on November 28, 2025, 12:31:00 PMOk, this is an idea I have been playing with...

Poland built Migs under license as Lim-1, 1.5, (yes really), 2, 5 and 6.
I cannot find any info on proposed Lim-3 or 4, although Lim-7 was slated for early Mig-21's.

As the Lim 5 was a Mig-17F - how about an early Mig-17 as a Lim-4? Or am I overthinking it? 
YA might as well just stick with the F model Geoff mate ,,the F was the first production version in 1959 .
Russia did build one called the Mig21 but that was not even built in any real numbers at all ,,5 in total before they decided to build a more advanced model ,, the F
So technically specking a Lim 3 or 4 would be F model aircraft Mig21 anyway .
If you were demented enough like yours truly then why not go later again with a Lim 8 or 9 ??  ;)
Then you could go with a Gen 2 aircraft ,,,also Gen 2 Mig21 models are very easy to get in that weird little 72nd scale and the proper one 48th  :thumbsup:      :wacko:

I like the idea of a 3rd gen Mig-21 as a Lim-8 - perhaps the Mig-21R which was the first of the 3rd gen models - cool :mellow:

Geoff

Ok so in Wif universe -

Lim 1,2,5 and 6 as real life.

Lim-3, Il-28, including a close air support version.

Lim-4, Mig-17/17A.

Lim-7 Mig-21F-13.

Lim-8 Mig-21 3rd generation onward.

Any opinions?

Charlie_c67

Well, Poland did get the license to build Yak-23s, but never did preferring the much more superior MiG-15. Maybe that was earmarked to be 3 or 4? They did operate 100 of the things from 1950 for a few years.
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Wardukw

Quote from: Geoff on November 29, 2025, 08:35:39 AMOk so in Wif universe -

Lim 1,2,5 and 6 as real life.

Lim-3, Il-28, including a close air support version.

Lim-4, Mig-17/17A.

Lim-7 Mig-21F-13.

Lim-8 Mig-21 3rd generation onward.

Any opinions?
Mig -21 3rd gen onward mate .. it's wiffy world so wiff the hell out of it  ;D
And since the Poles are heading away from the russia at a massive rate of knots now and have been slowly for the last 15yrs why not change that to that the Poles have been buggering off from russia for decades ,,like say since the 3rd gen Mig-21 came out and have been a part of NATO since just after getting the 3rd gen and have since then rearmed their birds with western weapons ..not the lastest mind you but things like older gen Sidewinders as starters and so on .
There ya go bud ,, more things to rack ya brain over  :wacko:  :thumbsup:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Geoff

Dam sleepless nights incoming - love the ideas :thumbsup:  Wardukw

Geoff

Quote from: Charlie_c67 on November 29, 2025, 10:06:14 AMWell, Poland did get the license to build Yak-23s, but never did preferring the much more superior MiG-15. Maybe that was earmarked to be 3 or 4? They did operate 100 of the things from 1950 for a few years.
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I didn't know that (missed it somewhere)  - but cannot get anything definite - cheers :thumbsup:

Weaver

Maybe the LIM-4 designation was reserved for the Yak-25 all-weather fighter, but it never got used.
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Geoff

Quote from: Weaver on November 29, 2025, 08:58:45 PMMaybe the LIM-4 designation was reserved for the Yak-25 all-weather fighter, but it never got used.

Yes, that would also fit well with the time line, and frankly makes more sense - cheers.