Canada Replacing Aurora's

[Jennings]

So you don't think the Government would go for something already proven and being built now-----like a Nimrod MR.4    

HA!!  Sorry... that made tea shoot out my nose

J

[Jennings]

Don't know if y'all noticed, but the P-8A now has 767-400 style (and 777ER style) raked wingtips instead of the usual 737NG Blended Winglets Ⓡ.  Apparently they figured out that if the standard winglets were to ice at low altitude (where most ice happens), their flutter margin was too small.  So they engineered up the raked wingtips which have a wider flutter margin.

As my friend who is involved in the program said, "This ain't your mother's 737-800."  Their first fuselage should be shipping from Wichita to Seattle for final assembly sometime in late February.

J

[Jennings]

I read that GB choose the Astor over other contenders for a bunch of reasons, but one big one was that the P-8 hasn't yet flown. Is that true?

Well, the integrated P-8 hasn't flown, but one could argue that it's been flying since 1967

J

[Captain Canada]

Thanks, Gary !

Here's the link to Bob's Beauty....what an awesome looking machine, eh ?

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/model737s...rveillera_1.htm

 

[Thorvic]

Oh man! That retro look put a Harpoon in my pants! Mr. J, you rock!

I hope like heck they do one like that, you know, for one of those special events type things. It's so danged sexy!

I read that GB choose the Astor over other contenders for a bunch of reasons, but one big one was that the P-8 hasn't yet flown. Is that true? Astor is apparently in use? (true or false? I've pics of it flying but couldn't sort out the markings) The site had a bunch of other commentary too that seems kind of slanted so I'm not too sure. India had considered the P-8 and was also looking at an Airbus as well as a few Russian airframes and even remanufactured Orions and they too seemed very hesitant about the P-8 for the same reason Great Britian did.

Cheers guys.

This really is the bestest websight in the world!

Eh ?

Astor is a just a battlespace Aircraft designed to support land force in theatre, Nimrod MRA4 is the MPA aircraft replaceing Nimrod MR2.

The Nimrod MRA4 did have any serious competitors as the Lockhheed P7 and Boeing P8 were just paper propsals as the USN wasnt keen to be rushed on Orion replacements just then.

Boeings the system intergrator for MRA4 and i expect it learned alot to help its later P8 proposal.

For Canada there is always the Japanese P-X if Jennings fancies doing a profile  

G

[Jennings]

So how about an EP-8C Aries VI?

J

[B777LR]

Don't know if y'all noticed, but the P-8A now has 767-400 style (and 777ER style) raked wingtips instead of the usual 737NG Blended Winglets

To be correct, the 777-200A and -200ER, as well as the -300A do not have winglets, or racked wingtips. The 777-200LR and -300ER however, do

Well, the integrated P-8 hasn't flown, but one could argue that it's been flying since 1967

Cheeky...  

[elmayerle]

So how about an EP-8C Aries VI?

J

GORGEOUS!!  I'll admit I'm sorely tempted to send that one to my friends in Waco.

[Jennings]

I'll admit I'm sorely tempted to send that one to my friends in Waco.

I already have

J

[nev]

For Canada there is always the Japanese P-X if Jennings fancies doing a profile  

Beat me too it.  Although its the P-1 now

[Gary]

Astor is a just a battlespace Aircraft designed to support land force in theatre, Nimrod MRA4 is the MPA aircraft replaceing Nimrod MR2.

The articles refer to survellance aircraft and not an ASW platform. They are not looking for an aircraft with the capacity to sink or destroy surface or submerged shipping, but to maintain soverenty over our Northern territories. For me to go further into this I would have to discuss the politics that are going on up there and I really don't think this s a forum for that kind of discussion.

So "just" a battlespace aircraft, with some pretty fancy radars is pretty much what is needed.  

[kitnut617]

So how about an EP-8C Aries VI?

J

Hmm! I just picked up a second hand conversion for a EP-3E and found I've got spare canoes and radomes in the package to make another EP-something or other, this has given me ideas Jennings.

Robert

[Glenn Gilbertson]

Jennings, those profiles are wonderful!
 

[GTX]

I read that GB choose the Astor over other contenders for a bunch of reasons, but one big one was that the P-8 hasn't yet flown. Is that true?

Considering the ASTOR (Airborne STand-Off Radar) or to use it's correct service designation, Raytheon Sentinel R1, was purposely designed for a RAF Specification (which has more in common with the American E-8 JSTARS aircraft), I doubt this story.  And yes they are already in service.



Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

I belive the plan for india is to upgrade the remaining Il-18s, and when the P-8s arrive they replace Il-18s.

Err, I think you mean Il-38s (yes, I know, they're related).  After the mess of the Sea Dragon upgrades (hell, even we could have made a better looking installation then that), I think the Indians are quite weary of the Russian proposals:





BTW, one common mistake made with the Il-38 is thinking the entire fuselage is used much in the same way as the P-3.  In reality though, the crew are limited to only the very front of the aircraft.

As for Indian P-8s, this isn't yet a happening thing - I understand Boeing & Raytheon are pushing very hard for it, though India is still very cautious with acquiring American hardware due to possible future restrictions.  At this stage, the RAAF might have a better chance of getting P-8s (I hope so, as it will mean great opportunities for my wife and I).

Regards,

Greg